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Post subject: Re: George Bush
 Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:08 AM
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| Nighthawk wrote: | | rag451 wrote: | | bongborg wrote: | | rag451 wrote: |
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It's rhetoric, not 'retorek'. If you're going to critisize another person's spelling, then at least make sure yours is right, huh?  |
Perhaps you meant: crit?i?cize
v., -cized, -ciz?ing, -ciz?es.
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I'm glad you noticed that. *veg* I was wondering who'd be first...
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Maybe we should all lay off criticizing each other's spelling or grammar.  |
My stratergery suggests otherwise... 
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:11 AM
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There are different levels of trust in most relationships, and mine with the government is no exception. Regardless, whether it is correct or not, the point of that was that official gov't figures contradicted Rag's. Whether I trust the gov't figures or not, Rag seems to.
I don't think our gov't is so corrupt that it meddles with summations of vote counts.
That doesn't mean I trust everything else they do.
You guys really have a fixation with things being either black or white, don't you?
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Post subject: Re: George Bush
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:15 AM
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| bongborg wrote: | | erifah wrote: | | bongborg wrote: |
WHOA!!!! Cocaine in a blue dress, what an image. I bet Barry Seal would love it, if he wasn't dead, murdered in the street, because he knew too much about the Bush family and cocaine. |
This Seal guy. Is he the fella sleeping with the fishes like Vince Foster? |
Actually he was the guy with terminal lead poisoning in the parking lot with G.H.W. Bush's private phone number in his pocket. |
Saaaayyyyy..... wasn't Clinton's brother - who was convicted of cocaine possession - was also involved as an associate of Mr. Seal?
And weren't they both involved in a small dirt airstrip at Mena, Arkansas, a major U.S. landing site for the Contra drugs and arms network? And didn't Bill "he?s got a nose like a vacuum cleaner" CLinton, governor of the state at the time, protect the operation, blocking investigations by local prosecutors into the illegal activities there?
And aren't there an awful lot of people who have been connected in some way with Bill Clinton who have died in rather suspicious circumstances? |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:18 AM
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| *diane* wrote: |
You guys really have a fixation with things being either black or white, don't you?
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And you seem to have an unexplainable aversion to black and white, which bookend those very shades of grey you are so fond of... |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:24 AM
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| erifah wrote: | | *diane* wrote: |
You guys really have a fixation with things being either black or white, don't you?
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And you seem to have an unexplainable aversion to black and white, which bookend those very shades of grey you are so fond of... |
Yep.
I think I'm going to leave for a bit and pick up a pack of smokes and a Grateful Dead cd before Discount Den closes. Must be all this talk of booze and cocaine....
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Post subject: Re: George Bush
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:24 AM
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| erifah wrote: | | bongborg wrote: | | erifah wrote: | | bongborg wrote: |
WHOA!!!! Cocaine in a blue dress, what an image. I bet Barry Seal would love it, if he wasn't dead, murdered in the street, because he knew too much about the Bush family and cocaine. |
This Seal guy. Is he the fella sleeping with the fishes like Vince Foster? |
Actually he was the guy with terminal lead poisoning in the parking lot with G.H.W. Bush's private phone number in his pocket. |
Saaaayyyyy..... wasn't Clinton's brother - who was convicted of cocaine possession - was also involved as an associate of Mr. Seal?
And weren't they both involved in a small dirt airstrip at Mena, Arkansas, a major U.S. landing site for the Contra drugs and arms network? And didn't Bill "he?s got a nose like a vacuum cleaner" CLinton, governor of the state at the time, protect the operation, blocking investigations by local prosecutors into the illegal activities there?
And aren't there an awful lot of people who have been connected in some way with Bill Clinton who have died in rather suspicious circumstances? |
Very likely, all that is true; the governors of most states would cooperate if the CIA and the Pentagon were to ask them to, and cut them in for a "piece of the action". But answer, please... why are so many Republicans eager to pin Clinton for Mena when the operation originated with Bush, North, and the CIA? |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:37 AM
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How many lawyer/Presidents have been disbarred for lying to a Grand Jury?
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 01:40 AM
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No one laughed at my mention of 'strategery'. *sniff* 
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Post subject: Re: George Bush
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 02:24 AM
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| bongborg wrote: |
...But answer, please... why are so many Republicans eager to pin Clinton for Mena when the operation originated with Bush, North, and the CIA? |
Beats me. As we Republicans don't march in lockstep, no one Republican speaks for all the others. I'm a Republican who doesn't think Clinton is an evil man, but a deeply, deeply flawed & reprehensible human being....
But maybe for some, it has to do with hatred, the same thing that makes so many Democrats pin Bush for things he's not responsible for... |
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Post subject: Good presidents
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 02:57 AM
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Weve had plenty of great presidents.
Just look at Mount Rushmore.
Martyr John F Kennedy
Martyr Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jeffereson
George Washington
Althought two of them had slaves. George Washington often starved at the Potomac and ate the same food as his troops. Army food cost him all of his teeth.
Thomas Jefferson ratified the constitution. He kept the United States Treasury solvent at the cost of bankrupting Monticello.
Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. He belived that a country could not survive as two seperate unions as a free country.
John F Kennedy made arms treaties with Russia, attacked the maffia and communism through his brother Bobby Kennedy who was also martyred.
While these people arent perfect. There far from the evil and corrupt politicans we have now. SOme of them actually died for what they belived in. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:04 AM
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Star Base--
Thanks for pointing all of that out.
I've often thought about the fact that in today's climate, Jefferson, Kennedy and probably Washington never would have been elected. Jefferson not only had slaves, he had children with one--sure puts anything Clinton did to shame. And yet, as a leader, and a visionary, I'm hard pressed to come up with a better president.
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Post subject: Re: Good presidents
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:08 AM
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| Star_Base_CGI wrote: | Weve had plenty of great presidents.
Just look at Mount Rushmore.
Martyr John F Kennedy
Martyr Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jeffereson
George Washington
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I've always thought Kennedy looked an awful lot like Teddy Roosevelt when he grew that mustache. "Ahhhh, that's some bully clam chow-dah."
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Post subject: Re: Good presidents
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:12 AM
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| Star_Base_CGI wrote: | Weve had plenty of great presidents.
Just look at Mount Rushmore.
Martyr John F Kennedy
Martyr Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jeffereson
George Washington
Althought two of them had slaves. George Washington often starved at the Potomac and ate the same food as his troops. Army food cost him all of his teeth.
Thomas Jefferson ratified the constitution. He kept the United States Treasury solvent at the cost of bankrupting Monticello.
Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. He belived that a country could not survive as two seperate unions as a free country.
John F Kennedy made arms treaties with Russia, attacked the maffia and communism through his brother Bobby Kennedy who was also martyred.
While these people arent perfect. There far from the evil and corrupt politicans we have now. SOme of them actually died for what they belived in. |
What about John Adams, James Madison, James A. Garfield, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, or Ronald Reagan? They were pretty good Presidents. 
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:40 AM
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Can someone define "a great President" for me please?
Is it someone who:
Posesses unbreakable leadership qualities?
Posesses an irrefutable high moral character?
Posesses a keen intellect, capable of plotting and planning his/her nation's economic growth?
Am I leaving anything out?
Thanks,
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Post subject: Re: Good presidents
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:45 AM
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| erifah wrote: | | Star_Base_CGI wrote: | Weve had plenty of great presidents.
Just look at Mount Rushmore.
Martyr John F Kennedy
Martyr Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jeffereson
George Washington
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I've always thought Kennedy looked an awful lot like Teddy Roosevelt when he grew that mustache. "Ahhhh, that's some bully clam chow-dah."
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And I suppose he'll be telling us it's "one of the greatest natural wonders" ever, huh?
*whistles 'Hail to the Chief'*
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Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 03:00 PM
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| It seems that you guys wait til you know I am out of town to have these debates. I read it but being after the fact (the debate that is) it is pointless to comment. |
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Post subject: Re: George Bush
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 09:16 PM
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... | erifah wrote: | | *diane* wrote: |
Too bad cocaine doesn't wear a blue dress.
Diane |
I have to finally admit it, George W. Bush is an idiot. Why, I'm just reading at TIME.com that, on Election Night last Tuesday, the moment Bush knew he had it all, he lit a cigar... and put it in his mouth, not in an intern!
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,388904,00.html |
 That's a riot erifah - I may not stop laughing til Tuesday.
Didn't rejoin this discussion until this afternoon so I'm a little late
to the post to rebut Diane re: "It's Ken Starrs fault..." oh yeah I
forgot, Kenny was putting Willy's wanker where it didn't belong
and, gosh, Kenny must have made Willy grope Kathleen Willey...
(sexual assault in any other jurisidiction outside the Clinton White House that is..) If Air Force One is rockin ... don't be knockin... |
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Post subject: Re: George Bush
Posted: Nov 11, 2002 - 09:38 PM
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| jbrenner wrote: | ... | erifah wrote: | | *diane* wrote: |
Too bad cocaine doesn't wear a blue dress.
Diane |
I have to finally admit it, George W. Bush is an idiot. Why, I'm just reading at TIME.com that, on Election Night last Tuesday, the moment Bush knew he had it all, he lit a cigar... and put it in his mouth, not in an intern!
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,388904,00.html |
That's a riot erifah - I may not stop laughing til Tuesday.
Didn't rejoin this discussion until this afternoon so I'm a little late
to the post to rebut Diane re: "It's Ken Starrs fault..." oh yeah I
forgot, Kenny was putting Willy's wanker where it didn't belong
and, gosh, Kenny must have made Willy grope Kathleen Willey...
(sexual assault in any other jurisidiction outside the Clinton White House that is..) If Air Force One is rockin ... don't be knockin... |
As I'm also sure that ol' Ken Starr was the one responsible for a then-Governor Bill Clinton's sexual harassment of Paula Jones... Yes, great excuse. I'm sure Bill appeciates you fighting for him.
Robert |
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