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Post subject: Where are you Littlestar?
 Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 01:12 PM
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I thought this was cute.
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 05:10 PM
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It's CUTE.....
and I would think YOU are cute(R), charming, intelligent and classy if you posted a formal, non-flippant apology to Sue.....(I can still believe)  |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 09:56 PM
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Hey, my canaries are taking notice of this pic! My Hen canary looks just like this one! 
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 01:06 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | It's CUTE.....
and I would think YOU are cute(R), charming, intelligent and classy if you posted a formal, non-flippant apology to Sue.....(I can still believe) |
I don't appolgise unless I'm wrong. Others don't have to appologise even when they ARE wrong. What's wrong with this picture? If that's what you require to gain and retain your respect, then I will never have it. I have never said I was sorry for telling someone the truth, yet.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 05:33 AM
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I think this is the truth Dave refers to:
| sueinbrum wrote: | I don't know how many people have seen this, but Dave has immediately resumed hostilities with jims and has just accused me of being his "willing dupe"
I am fed up of this and today is not a day to patronise me and make completely unfounded accusations.
Apparently everyone else here except me can see this..is this true?
do people here (apart form the usual suspects!) feel that I have no mind of my own and willingly go along with jims no matter what he says?
If you do, please say so and I will react accordingly
love sue |
Do I have this right? If this is not the truth telling you are referring to Dave please correct me. Sue's quote is taken directly from the "Dave's Accusation" thread BTW. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 05:39 AM
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| Nighthawk wrote: | I think this is the truth Dave refers to:
| sueinbrum wrote: | I don't know how many people have seen this, but Dave has immediately resumed hostilities with jims and has just accused me of being his "willing dupe"
I am fed up of this and today is not a day to patronise me and make completely unfounded accusations.
Apparently everyone else here except me can see this..is this true?
do people here (apart form the usual suspects!) feel that I have no mind of my own and willingly go along with jims no matter what he says?
If you do, please say so and I will react accordingly
love sue |
Do I have this right? If this is not the truth telling you are referring to Dave please correct me. Sue's quote is taken directly from the "Dave's Accusation" thread BTW. |
My "observation" was made in response to Sue attacking me for telling the truth about Jims Kirk. She knew nothing of what she was talking about, but she jumped down my throat for saying he was all about hate. Several members here tried to tell her how wrong she was but she didn't want to hear the truth from them either. Then in her "Paul" thread she demanded to know why he was banned permanently. Paul told her it was because of his hatefulness. That's when she turned around and admitted she didn't know what she was talking about. My statements here are true. I don't appologise for telling the truth unless I'm shown to be wrong. How many members say they are sorry for being right?
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 05:55 AM
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| Dave wrote: | | Nighthawk wrote: | I think this is the truth Dave refers to:
| sueinbrum wrote: | I don't know how many people have seen this, but Dave has immediately resumed hostilities with jims and has just accused me of being his "willing dupe"
I am fed up of this and today is not a day to patronise me and make completely unfounded accusations.
Apparently everyone else here except me can see this..is this true?
do people here (apart form the usual suspects!) feel that I have no mind of my own and willingly go along with jims no matter what he says?
If you do, please say so and I will react accordingly
love sue |
Do I have this right? If this is not the truth telling you are referring to Dave please correct me. Sue's quote is taken directly from the "Dave's Accusation" thread BTW. |
My "observation" was made in response to Sue attacking me for telling the truth about Jims Kirk. She knew nothing of what she was talking about, but she jumped down my throat for saying he was all about hate. Several members here tried to tell her how wrong she was but she didn't want to hear the truth from them either. Then in her "Paul" thread she demanded to know why he was banned permanently. Paul told her it was because of his hatefulness. That's when she turned around and admitted she didn't know what she was talking about. My statements here are true. I don't appologise for telling the truth unless I'm shown to be wrong. How many members say they are sorry for being right?
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To separate the chaff from the wheat: you are saying Sue is/was Jim's "willing dupe" and that she has no mind of her own? Is that right? |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:00 AM
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| Nighthawk wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | Nighthawk wrote: | I think this is the truth Dave refers to:
| sueinbrum wrote: | I don't know how many people have seen this, but Dave has immediately resumed hostilities with jims and has just accused me of being his "willing dupe"
I am fed up of this and today is not a day to patronise me and make completely unfounded accusations.
Apparently everyone else here except me can see this..is this true?
do people here (apart form the usual suspects!) feel that I have no mind of my own and willingly go along with jims no matter what he says?
If you do, please say so and I will react accordingly
love sue |
Do I have this right? If this is not the truth telling you are referring to Dave please correct me. Sue's quote is taken directly from the "Dave's Accusation" thread BTW. |
My "observation" was made in response to Sue attacking me for telling the truth about Jims Kirk. She knew nothing of what she was talking about, but she jumped down my throat for saying he was all about hate. Several members here tried to tell her how wrong she was but she didn't want to hear the truth from them either. Then in her "Paul" thread she demanded to know why he was banned permanently. Paul told her it was because of his hatefulness. That's when she turned around and admitted she didn't know what she was talking about. My statements here are true. I don't appologise for telling the truth unless I'm shown to be wrong. How many members say they are sorry for being right?
~Dave |
To separate the chaff from the wheat: you are saying Sue is/was Jim's "willing dupe" and that she has no mind of her own? Is that right? |
I am saying that she accepted his point of view, in private communications, against mine without finding out the truth for herself. She attacked me and some others for agreeing with me. That makes her decision to side with JK a consious one without ascertaining the truth for herself. At that point she willingly became his dupe. She made a consious decision to side with him. It was only when Paul privately communicated with her that she had to admit she was wrong. If she doesn't owe me an appology, then I KNOW I don't owe her one.
If you want any more information about this, PM Paul. I'm done with this topic.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:05 AM
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| No one is "all" about hate. Dave, you hate Jims because he said he hated Bush, and said he'd like to kill him. Fine, hate him. He behaved badly. He failed to behave well enough to stay here. But Sue is not a "dupe". You had no right to call her that. You can say it's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it's still hateful name calling. And you should apologize for it. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:07 AM
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| bongborg wrote: | | No one is "all" about hate. Dave, you hate Jims because he said he hated Bush, and said he'd like to kill him. Fine, hate him. He behaved badly. He failed to behave well enough to stay here. But Sue is not a "dupe". You had no right to call her that. You can say it's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it's still hateful name calling. And you should apologize for it. |
dupe (d?p, dy?p) n. 1. An easily deceived person. 2. A person who functions as the tool of another person or power. --dupe tr.v. duped, dup?ing, dupes. To deceive (an unwary person). --dup?a?bil?i?ty n. --dup?a?ble adj. --dup?er n.
The shoe seems to fit.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:15 AM
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So, the shoe fits. You could also say that the battle was lost, but the war was won. IF, you do what they want....
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:17 AM
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| Augie wrote: | So, the shoe fits. You could also say that the battle was lost, but the war was won. IF, you do what they want....
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Goodnight, Augie.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:19 AM
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| Dave wrote: | | Nighthawk wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | Nighthawk wrote: | I think this is the truth Dave refers to:
| sueinbrum wrote: | I don't know how many people have seen this, but Dave has immediately resumed hostilities with jims and has just accused me of being his "willing dupe"
I am fed up of this and today is not a day to patronise me and make completely unfounded accusations.
Apparently everyone else here except me can see this..is this true?
do people here (apart form the usual suspects!) feel that I have no mind of my own and willingly go along with jims no matter what he says?
If you do, please say so and I will react accordingly
love sue |
Do I have this right? If this is not the truth telling you are referring to Dave please correct me. Sue's quote is taken directly from the "Dave's Accusation" thread BTW. |
My "observation" was made in response to Sue attacking me for telling the truth about Jims Kirk. She knew nothing of what she was talking about, but she jumped down my throat for saying he was all about hate. Several members here tried to tell her how wrong she was but she didn't want to hear the truth from them either. Then in her "Paul" thread she demanded to know why he was banned permanently. Paul told her it was because of his hatefulness. That's when she turned around and admitted she didn't know what she was talking about. My statements here are true. I don't appologise for telling the truth unless I'm shown to be wrong. How many members say they are sorry for being right?
~Dave |
To separate the chaff from the wheat: you are saying Sue is/was Jim's "willing dupe" and that she has no mind of her own? Is that right? |
I am saying that she accepted his point of view, in private communications, against mine without finding out the truth for herself. She attacked me and some others for agreeing with me. That makes her decision to side with JK a consious one without ascertaining the truth for herself. At that point she willingly became his dupe. She made a consious decision to side with him. It was only when Paul privately communicated with her that she had to admit she was wrong. If she doesn't owe me an appology, then I KNOW I don't owe her one.
If you want any more information about this, PM Paul. I'm done with this topic.
~Dave |
Quick edit on your part Dave.
Her conscious decision was based on the facts she had at that time. Paul admitted as much publicly when he stated Sue had no knowledge of Jim's actions on Kerbytrack's board. Jim's was deservedly scuttled. But Sue leapt to the defense of a friend. Short of telepathy how was she supposed to ascertain the truth for herself to use your words-it is obvious Jim's wasn't going to tell her about it and all the facts didn't come out until afterwards. The issue isn't whether Jim's and Sue were friends-it is whether you and Sue are. Sometimes we apologize because it is the right thing to do not because we were wrong. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:25 AM
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| Dave wrote: | | Augie wrote: | So, the shoe fits. You could also say that the battle was lost, but the war was won. IF, you do what they want....
Augie |
Goodnight, Augie.
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You just don't get it, do you Dave?
BTW, you do know where to say goodnight, don't you? 
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:27 AM
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| Augie wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | Augie wrote: | So, the shoe fits. You could also say that the battle was lost, but the war was won. IF, you do what they want....
Augie |
Goodnight, Augie.
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You just don't get it, do you Dave?
BTW, you do know where to say goodnight, don't you?
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Time will tell. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:31 AM
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| Nighthawk wrote: | | Time will tell. |
Yes it will.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:44 AM
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Thank you guys for coming to my defence like this... I don't think I want an apology from Dave, I'm not sure how much it would mean if he still thinks he's right!
One thing I would like to correct is that he thinks I accepted what he said in private pm's. That isn't true in this case, I just saw Dave saying he was "full of hate" and saw red.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 12:06 PM
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And the legacy of Jim's Kirk/Mystic Dreamer continues...even after he is gone this Jonah and lover of peace causes division and strife. Maybe next time Sue (or whoever) will be a little slower to jump to the defense of a friend...I'm sure Jim's is chortling over that while he is skulking about admiring his handiwork. And a little more light bleeds out of the world....
I guess this makes you Jim's Kirk's willing dupe Dave. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 03:06 PM
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One final word on the subject. It's interesting to see how people line up behind this subject of being a "dupe". Why does it affect you so much? I didn't tell Sue she was a "willing dupe" to be hurtful. I told her that to try and shake her into questioning herself and what she believed. Regardless of what she knew at the time, she refused to do that one simple thing. She refused to even say that she COULD be wrong.
I have been here nearly as long as you original members. I read the same posts that you, and everyone else does. How did I manage to know the truth? This person under discussion wasn't banned for being a kind, loving soul. He was banned for being totally hateful, while claiming to profess love. How could I, and some others know what was going on from reading the posts here, and yet others could read these same messages of hate and not see it?
Now, if you were to call me a willing dupe of the Bible, I would have to agree with that and not get angry. Because it's true. If you want to say I'm a willing dupe of the republican party on certain issues, I could not get angry. I would have to agree with you. If you want to say that I am Bush's willing dupe about how to handle the war on terror, you would be correct. I would not sit blindly and refuse to believe that I am so great as to never make a mistake, and that I was duped. And I would surely NOT demand an appology from you for telling me the truth.
I am easily led when it comes to certain issues. That means my predispositions will make it easy for someone with the same types of leanings to deceive me. Is the President duping me into hating certain people in this world? I don't see it that way, but it is possible. As a flawed human being, I have to admit that. I am NOT always right. And I have always retained my respect for those who tell me that I'm, in effect, being duped, without an appology from them.
So, having said that...
Sue, I'm sorry for being right. I'm sorry you were wrong. I'm sorry you couldn't react in a sensible way to the suggestion that you were being duped. I'm sorry you cannot receive MY truth without attacking me on a personal level. I'm sorry you cannot consider the possibility that you could ever be wrong about something. I'm sorry you can only see "hate" in my messages, but not see the "hate" in the messages of others like JK. I'm sorry that you, and some others, will only respect me again if I give you something you do not deserve. And I'm sorry you cannot see that you are not owed an appology any more than you owe me one. I am sorry.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 03:50 PM
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| Dave wrote: | One final word on the subject. It's interesting to see how people line up behind this subject of being a "dupe". Why does it affect you so much? I didn't tell Sue she was a "willing dupe" to be hurtful. I told her that to try and shake her into questioning herself and what she believed. Regardless of what she knew at the time, she refused to do that one simple thing. She refused to even say that she COULD be wrong.
You may not have said it in order to be hurtful, but it had that effect. What I knew at the time was what I saw, a friend being attacked for not apparent reason...
I have been here nearly as long as you original members. I read the same posts that you, and everyone else does. How did I manage to know the truth? This person under discussion wasn't banned for being a kind, loving soul. He was banned for being totally hateful, while claiming to profess love. How could I, and some others know what was going on from reading the posts here, and yet others could read these same messages of hate and not see it?
He had served his time and was pleased to be back.. he was not banned again for being hurtful on this board, so how could we know his other misdemeanours?
Now, if you were to call me a willing dupe of the Bible, I would have to agree with that and not get angry. Because it's true. If you want to say I'm a willing dupe of the republican party on certain issues, I could not get angry. I would have to agree with you. If you want to say that I am Bush's willing dupe about how to handle the war on terror, you would be correct. I would not sit blindly and refuse to believe that I am so great as to never make a mistake, and that I was duped. And I would surely NOT demand an appology from you for telling me the truth.
I am easily led when it comes to certain issues. That means my predispositions will make it easy for someone with the same types of leanings to deceive me. Is the President duping me into hating certain people in this world? I don't see it that way, but it is possible. As a flawed human being, I have to admit that. I am NOT always right. And I have always retained my respect for those who tell me that I'm, in effect, being duped, without an appology from them.
So, having said that...
Sue, I'm sorry for being right. I'm sorry you were wrong. I'm sorry you couldn't react in a sensible way to the suggestion that you were being duped. I'm sorry you cannot receive MY truth without attacking me on a personal level. I'm sorry you cannot consider the possibility that you could ever be wrong about something. I'm sorry you can only see "hate" in my messages, but not see the "hate" in the messages of others like JK. I'm sorry that you, and some others, will only respect me again if I give you something you do not deserve. And I'm sorry you cannot see that you are not owed an appology any more than you owe me one. I am sorry.
I have not demanded an apology from you. I have not attacked you on a personal level... just stop and think for a moment, if you thought I knew about Jims' behaviour on that other board, do you really think I would have defended him? By saying I was his willing dupe, you implied that I condoned language and behaviour which I hope anyone who knows me would realise I would never do!
I don't only see "hate" in all your messages, I did see it in that message about Jims that day.
I was upset when I read your post about me, implying that everyone had a certain opinion about me. I could have ignored it, but I was in a certain frame of mind that day and wanted to air it.
As for "I'm sorry for being right and I'm sorry you're wrong", well....how very conciliatory of you!
love sue
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 04:07 PM
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dupe (d?p, dy?p) n. 1. An easily deceived person. 2. A person who functions as the tool of another person or power. --dupe tr.v. duped, dup?ing, dupes. To deceive (an unwary person). --dup?a?bil?i?ty n. --dup?a?ble adj. --dup?er
So you are being duped by the Bible and the Republican party? Deception is implied when using this word...
Sue was working with incomplete information and she acted to stand by a perceived friend. She was gulled and admits it. You are happy to spotlight your humanity by saying you are not perfect-why can't you see Sue the same way? Always the iron fist in the velvet glove... |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 04:21 PM
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| Nighthawk wrote: | dupe (d?p, dy?p) n. 1. An easily deceived person. 2. A person who functions as the tool of another person or power. --dupe tr.v. duped, dup?ing, dupes. To deceive (an unwary person). --dup?a?bil?i?ty n. --dup?a?ble adj. --dup?er
So you are being duped by the Bible and the Republican party? Deception is implied when using this word...
Sue was working with incomplete information and she acted to stand by a perceived friend. She was gulled and admits it. You are happy to spotlight your humanity by saying you are not perfect-why can't you see Sue the same way? Always the iron fist in the velvet glove... |
Look. If you want to appologise to Sue, go right ahead. My guess is that you won't because she doesn't deserve one from you. Well, she doesn't deserve one from me either. So I'm stuck on being right until Paul tells me I'm wrong. How am I any different from Sue?
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 04:27 PM
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So you'd abandon all your principles if the man in authority tells you to?
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 06:26 PM
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| sueinbrum wrote: | So you'd abandon all your principles if the man in authority tells you to?
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 08:08 PM
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OK...I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!!
I wanted you to apoligize to Sue, only for being so mean spirited in your treatment of her by ganging up with Robert and "OH. so politely" sniping at her......JIMS KIRK/MD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! .....Can't YOU see that, Dave 
I didn't know about JK's actions on ANY board...I didn't know him...and Sue, not that much more knowledge of him....Don't YOU see that some of us DO NOT like to hear that anyone of "us" is full of hate, a dupe, easily led, or too NICE to see the forest for the trees?
I am usually the PEACEMAKER...that day, YOU PUSHED MY BUTTON...BIG TIME.....and still I have been trying to make the peace...between YOU and I and YOU and Sue.....
BUT NO MORE.....I Give Up on trying to get YOU, DAVE, to see what has been done here ....
THERE IS NO RIGHT AND WRONG WHEN ONE IS SPEAKING ABOUT PAIN TO ANOTHERS' SOUL!!!!
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