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 Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:49 PM
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| Dave wrote: | You canna change the laws of biology.
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I thought they did change them. (Genetic enginering) Or at least they are trying.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:52 PM
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| joains wrote: | A First, Dave admits his has a liberal bone in his body. Someone, please alert the media. And pass the chips...  |
Not at all. It is consistant with the conservative view that gays be allowed to adopt. This would reduce the funding necessary for orphanages, and foster homes. This might reduce the possibility of tax increases as the problem grows. I think I'm fairly consistant here.
But at the same time I recognize the agenda which is being pushed here. The adoption issue would make gays that much more accepted by society, and would increase the likelyhood that gay marrages would receive legal legitamacy. So fasten your seatbelt if this goes through.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:58 PM
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Location: "It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem."~ G.K.C
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The BIG question.......will the children understand???????????
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:59 PM
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| Dave wrote: | The adoption issue would make gays that much more accepted by society, and would increase the likelyhood that gay marrages would receive legal legitamacy. So fasten your seatbelt if this goes through.
~Dave |
 They got there own Icon, what more do they want?
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:00 PM
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| DOC wrote: | The BIG question.......will the children understand???????????
Doc |
I don't know.
And will the orientation of the children be influenced by these homes?
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:01 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | A First, Dave admits his has a liberal bone in his body. Someone, please alert the media. And pass the chips... |
Not at all. It is consistant with the conservative view that gays be allowed to adopt. This would reduce the funding necessary for orphanages, and foster homes. This might reduce the possibility of tax increases as the problem grows. I think I'm fairly consistant here.
But at the same time I recognize the agenda which is being pushed here. The adoption issue would make gays that much more accepted by society, and would increase the likelyhood that gay marrages would receive legal legitamacy. So fasten your seatbelt if this goes through.
~Dave |
Dave, you are not fooling me. You would not concede this point just to decrease funding and belay a possible tax increase. On the eve of a major US election, you have turned to the dark side.....LIBERAL......... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:03 PM
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Location: "It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem."~ G.K.C
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I don't know.
And will the orientation of the children be influenced by these homes?
~Dave[/quote]
I would think so.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:13 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | A First, Dave admits his has a liberal bone in his body. Someone, please alert the media. And pass the chips... |
Not at all. It is consistant with the conservative view that gays be allowed to adopt. This would reduce the funding necessary for orphanages, and foster homes. This might reduce the possibility of tax increases as the problem grows. I think I'm fairly consistant here.
But at the same time I recognize the agenda which is being pushed here. The adoption issue would make gays that much more accepted by society, and would increase the likelyhood that gay marrages would receive legal legitamacy. So fasten your seatbelt if this goes through.
~Dave |
Dave, you are not fooling me. You would not concede this point just to decrease funding and belay a possible tax increase. On the eve of a major US election, you have turned to the dark side.....LIBERAL......... |
I'm a fairly independent thinker in some issues.
Right-leaning liberal or left-leaning republican.
Or maybe just a moderate.
I am rather a fundamentalist in some things, though.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:34 PM
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| Moderate Dave? I may die. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:52 PM
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| looking around at the people in general I sometimes wonder if it'd be a good idea for some sort of restriction on parenting. It just seems that some people should not have children at all. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:04 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:06 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:11 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
It's one of the things that I love about you.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:16 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
It's one of the things that I love about you.
~Dave |
One of the things? tell me more.........(smile) |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:20 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
It's one of the things that I love about you.
~Dave |
One of the things? tell me more.........(smile) |
Naw. You know too much already. 
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:31 PM
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I find it extraordinary in this day and age that things can still be so lopsided. Shouldn't ALL people be given a chance to get married, adopt children (of course all the USUAL checks) and live 'happily ever after' without being told that for some of them, there may be something wrong with that? Isn't it beyond time that the rules applied to one section of society should be extended to it as a whole? Am I being naive?
I know this is a bit simplistic but we're all human beings that should be allowed the same 'basic' opportunities in life....when I look around me I see people, whatever their sexual orientation, who aspire to very similar things and not necessarily given a chance to earn them - makes me feel very sad.
Inequality, discrimination, ignorance, prejudice, fear, whatever you want to call it is very sad. But I think I'm stating the obvious there and digressing.....
It IS about quality of life and a loving home and surely a child would benefit from that? Any perception of 'difference' would be outweighed by love and and fade with time..........
I'm sorry, I vented there a tad, it's a hard subject..... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:48 PM
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I agree with you roxy ancd so does the House of Commons, just heard on the news they've made it easier for those groups to adopt (subject of course to the usual stringent checks)
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 10:56 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
It's one of the things that I love about you.
~Dave |
One of the things? tell me more.........(smile) |
Naw. You know too much already.
~Dave |
As someone else likes to say in these occasions, you two
get a room.............. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 11:00 PM
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| kilgorn wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Moderate Dave? I may die. |
Well, nobody fits into a simple set of labels.
Not even me.
~Dave |
Well, i hope you know I am kidding.......moderate Dave is ok with me.... |
It's one of the things that I love about you.
~Dave |
One of the things? tell me more.........(smile) |
Naw. You know too much already.
~Dave |
As someone else likes to say in these occasions, you two
get a room.............. |
oh killy--party pooper..... |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 06:21 AM
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Everybody needs a love and security in a home no matter how odd they are. Oddities are what make people unique.
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 06:55 AM
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| I think EVERYONE should be allowed to adopt - with the proper background checks. |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 07:05 AM
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| Dave wrote: | | DOC wrote: | The BIG question.......will the children understand???????????
Doc |
I don't know.
And will the orientation of the children be influenced by these homes?
~Dave |
If the parents are loving and sensible parents as they should be, they will explain to the children as they grow the differences between a "straight" parents home and a "gay" parents home. There are organizations (PFLAG) out there to support the parents with this situation.
No, the orientation of the children will not necessarily be influenced by a "gay" parents home. People are born with their orientation. It is not influenced nor learned. And, if the situation does arise where the children become confused, there are organizations out there for support.
No, I'm not gay. I know people who are, though. |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2002 - 09:37 PM
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| sueinbrum wrote: | I agree with you roxy ancd so does the House of Commons, just heard on the news they've made it easier for those groups to adopt (subject of course to the usual stringent checks)
love sue |
Thanks Sue, that's really good to hear. I missed the news but it's good to know they've come up with a bit of common sense for a change. Progress at last!
All the best
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Posted: Nov 06, 2002 - 01:13 AM
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Nature only dictates that you MUST have a male and female to reproduce. So nature seems to think that the traditional arrangement is the natural one. However, I don't know of any reason why gay's cannot provide a child with a loving, nurturing home in which to grow. I would not oppose such an arrangement. It would be up to the government to make sure the safeguards are enforced. Beyond that, I say, go for it.
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