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Post subject: Your opinions please...
 Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:29 PM
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A Conservative MP (Thatcher's party, boo hiss!) has just resigned because of the Tories' opposition to opening up adoption laws to enable cohabiting and/or gay couples to adopt children (he was seriously in the wrong party!)
There are so many older children languishing in childrens' homes. do you think it's time to allow a broader range of people to adopt?
Are they seriously suggesting children would be better off without any home life than a home life that is not the traditional type, which is becomer rare than the double-crested newt anyway?
opinions please (but try and avoid homophobia please!)
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:36 PM
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Sue I all ways wanted kids,but I feel its getting a bit late for me,I think the only way that I might have kids is to opening up adoption,thats when I get a wife first........  |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:40 PM
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After proper screening and backround checks have been made, I think anybody who really wants to adopt should be given the chance.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:47 PM
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| Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:52 PM
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Who, in their right mind, would not want kids to have a chance to be happy.
But, if someone does not approve of a Gay lifestyle, you have already labeled them homophobic.
This will probably limit your replies. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 07:56 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
Not exactly right. God does discriminate here. Gay couples cannot produce children of their own. Don't know if that was intentional, or not. For example God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:01 PM
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The only problem I have is the child would not have the opportunity to know both sexes (Male & Female) growing up/living at home. Is it Mommy & Mommy or Daddy & Daddy? I know LOVE is the most important moral however I see this to be more 'complicated' for the child.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:01 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
For the protection of the child. Lots of child molesters out there. They would have a field day if they just gave kids to anybody. 
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:01 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
Not exactly right. God does discriminate here. Gay couples cannot produce children of their own. Don't know if that was intentional, or not. For example God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
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Id God limited us to children that couples could only create on thier own, then we would not have single mothers and fathers, would we and the last time I check, God never stopped a child from being born in a loveless home....... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:04 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
Not exactly right. God does discriminate here. Gay couples cannot produce children of their own. Don't know if that was intentional, or not. For example God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
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Id God limited us to children that couples could only create on thier own, then we would not have single mothers and fathers, would we and the last time I check, God never stopped a child from being born in a loveless home....... |
Yes that's right. And if the screening is done properly, I would rather see a child in a loving home, than to remain in foster care or an orphanage. My statement was only trying to address the God question. He insists that there be a male and female to produce children.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:09 PM
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:10 PM
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| Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
Not exactly right. God does discriminate here. Gay couples cannot produce children of their own. Don't know if that was intentional, or not. For example God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
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Id God limited us to children that couples could only create on thier own, then we would not have single mothers and fathers, would we and the last time I check, God never stopped a child from being born in a loveless home....... |
Yes that's right. And if the screening is done properly, I would rather see a child in a loving home, than to remain in foster care or an orphanage. My statement was only trying to address the God question. He insists that there be a male and female to produce children.
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at least one time--he broke his own rule then... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:11 PM
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I'm for anything that places a child in a loving/nurturing home. Background checks should definately apply - as in the case for heterosexual foster parents/adoptive parents as well.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:21 PM
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| joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Dave wrote: | | joains wrote: | | Good Question...........here is the last answer you would expect from me-----since God does not screen( at least it does not seem that way) the type of home and parents he places kids with, why should we? |
Not exactly right. God does discriminate here. Gay couples cannot produce children of their own. Don't know if that was intentional, or not. For example God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
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Id God limited us to children that couples could only create on thier own, then we would not have single mothers and fathers, would we and the last time I check, God never stopped a child from being born in a loveless home....... |
Yes that's right. And if the screening is done properly, I would rather see a child in a loving home, than to remain in foster care or an orphanage. My statement was only trying to address the God question. He insists that there be a male and female to produce children.
~Dave |
at least one time--he broke his own rule then... |
Immaculate conceptions would be difficult to explain today.
Still, if the rule will be broken, it will have to be the rule Maker who does so. We cannot produce children any way other than a male and a female. Even in-vitro, and the "so-called" cloning.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:22 PM
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:23 PM
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:25 PM
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Ha..ha.. Got to watch that Cholesterol...
Good afternoon Dave.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:26 PM
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| DOC wrote: | Ha..ha.. Got to watch that Cholesterol...
Good afternoon Dave.
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Hi. How are you today?
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:33 PM
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forget the male/female thing for a minute Dave, if you can..
For as far back as recorded history can trace, other people have helped 'couples' all kind of couples have children. Records show surogate mothers all the way back the acient times. And we all know how many times other men have helped couples with this task.
I think that if we try to limit children to certain couples we do 2 things.....
1. We add to the black market for the trade in babies and even people who have money should not have to pay for the joy of being a parent.
2. And to Sue's point, we limited the chances that those children, who do not have a family of their own, to get one.
so Dave, no matter how hard the sound of this may hurt you, let's all be more liberal and make sure those children have homes of their own.... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:36 PM
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| joains wrote: | forget the male/female thing for a minute Dave, if you can..
For as far back as recorded history can trace, other people have helped 'couples' all kind of couples have children. Records show surogate mothers all the way back the acient times. And we all know how many times other men have helped couples with this task.
I think that if we try to limit children to certain couples we do 2 things.....
1. We add to the black market for the trade in babies and even people who have money should not have to pay for the joy of being a parent.
2. And to Sue's point, we limited the chances that those children, who do not have a family of their own, to get one.
so Dave, no matter how hard the sound of this may hurt you, let's all be more liberal and make sure those children have homes of their own.... |
You can't take yes for an answer? I already agreed that children would be better off in a loving home than in foster care. Even a gay home, if the screening was done properly.
The fact that people have helped a "couple" have children is beside the point. They still hav to have one of each sex in order to have helped anything.
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| A First, Dave admits his has a liberal bone in his body. Someone, please alert the media. And pass the chips... |
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I'm Fine Dave.
Hi Jo & Dave:
Both of your points are Valid in my book. Jo your heart is pure and that counts and Dave you are correct regarding the science. I once compared humans sexuality with animal, my point was getting across until one person had said that this animal (forget the name) liked the same sex; did they support this fact...I can't recall if they did. What do you two think in regards to my opinion?
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| DOC wrote: | I'm Fine Dave.
Hi Jo & Dave:
Both of you points a Valid in my book. Jo you heart is pure and that counts and Dave you are correct regarding the science. I once compared humans sexuality with animal, my point was getting across until one person had said that this animal (forget the name) liked the same sex; did they support this fact...I can't recall if they did. What do you two think in regards to my opinion?
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There are all sorts of "critters" in nature. Some don't have just one sex, and can produce offspring alone. And it doesn't matter if an animal "likes" the same sex. You have got to have one of each in the human race to reproduce. You canna change the laws of biology.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:44 PM
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| Hi Doc...welcome back--I missed you.....huggs and kisses.....(and a pat on the fanny)... ...... |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:48 PM
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Thanks Jo....
I am coming out with a designer line for jeans and the right pocket of my hiney with read "Property of Jo".
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