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Post subject: What is happening to my beloved London?
 Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 07:31 PM
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| My hometown is being torn apart by mindless scum, looting and destroying anything and everything in their path. Making innocents homeless in some of the most deprived areas of the city. As if these people aren't already in enough grief. Now it's spread to my part of town. I'm glad I'm leaving. |
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 08:24 PM
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What’s happening in London is explained here, with additional detail here.
How it happened is easily understood.
Why it happened is unresolved. Ostensibly, Mark Duggan is why it happened.
Yet he’s is merely the catalyst, not the why. |
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 08:34 PM
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I used to work in Tottenham, in fact one of my former places of work is in that clip. I live in Walthamstow now, which is having smaller scale rioting of its own. Probably the same perpetrators as the two Boroughs Waltham Forest and Haringey) are neighbours.
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 08:58 PM
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| It seems like a FLASHBACK to Compton, CA...USA...the LA Riots...and seems like a manipulated start to get a Race War going..... |
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 09:19 PM
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You are joining your family in NY this month, aren't you?
I think what is happening there is spreading through most of Europe right now. Look at Greece, the shootings in Norway, etc.
Interesting that these riots, like the uprisings in a good part of the Middle East, are being linked by technology. Something not possible in the past.
I wonder when it will hit here as well???? |
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 09:22 PM
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| HAHAHA...last sentence was the kicker CAT...TEA PARTY communications ring a Bluetooth ? |
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Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 11:51 PM
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There’s been a lot back and forth about who is to blame. Such are the vicissitudes of life. I believe it was neither Duggan nor Blackberry.
If you like, fill in your own reason __________.
For me, London’s metropolitan police provide the reason:
“We believe that certain elements, who were not involved with the vigil, took the opportunity to commit disorder and physically attack police officers, verbally abuse fire brigade personnel and destroy vehicles and buildings.”
The rioters were angry and bored. They acted with mob mentality. They looted for avaricious gain. They acted without reason. They acted, and reacted, on a lark.
And that’s the scariest possible reason.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 12:18 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, but don't your police carry guns? I'm watching BBC live right now, and it seems that even though the police force is out there in riot gear, they don't seem to have any way to bring these people under control. They're just standing there taking it.
I was watching them looting Debenhams, and did they set that on fire as well? Now there at Chalk Farm.
Holy Cow, I can't believe they are just going from store to store, street to street, without the police taking control. |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 06:49 AM
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The Police there do not carry guns as a rule....so they are using the shooting of Duggan as the supposed excuse...just as the groups did here with Rodney King. It is obvious they are just using excuses to let out bitterness and Hatred... and gangs are just going for anything they can get their hands on...
It is spreading way too fast... Leeds ....Birmingham...now into Liverpool...Bristol?
Makes me glad my English sister is in Italy now...getting Married...I hope it calms down before she gets home to Essex.....they say only minor incidents of disorder in the Buckhurst Hill area. |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 11:58 AM
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Hope you and yours are safe and well Spurs man.
A mate of mine is apolice officer in Liverpool, last night he was csught on the side of the head with a brick. Thankfully he's ok and is back on duty tonight.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 01:42 PM
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Cheers, Everton. Looks like our game will be postponed this weekend. I was in Tottenham High Road this morning for work. The Park Lane ticket office at WHL has been vandalised. The whole area looks even worse than normal, and if you've ever been there you can imagine how bad it is!
Turns out that I know a few of the rioters through mutual friends. They have no interest in justice for Duggan's family, they're just thieves. Nothing more than that. |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 04:36 PM
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| I'm sorry to hear about what's happening not just in London,but in all of Europe.It's only a matter of time that it can happen to the rest of the world,including the US.It's a quiet storm before all hell breaks loose.Stay strong and brace yourselves.Peace. |
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Post subject: Re: What is happening to my beloved London?
Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 05:03 PM
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I feel your pain. Vancouver experienced a night of rioting, looting, and violence after the Vancouver Canucks lost to the Boston Bruins.
It's a shameful behaviour and an illustration of mob mentality.
Lessons will be learned.
| BWW wrote: | | My hometown is being torn apart by mindless scum, looting and destroying anything and everything in their path. Making innocents homeless in some of the most deprived areas of the city. As if these people aren't already in enough grief. Now it's spread to my part of town. I'm glad I'm leaving. |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 05:22 PM
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This picture is from Saturday. I used to manage that branch of Ladbrokes in the 90's.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 05:29 PM
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Believed the Tottenham riots would have burned themselves out by now, both literally and figuratively. I was wrong:
As Rioting Widens, Cameron Deploys 10,000 More Police
Poor, angry & bored is far more dangerous than rich, angry & bored. There’s a plethora of unemployed rioters who are unhappy with UK government austerity measures.
But that’s a socioeconomic explanation which is inadequate and too touchy-feely for me. Let me keep it simple. Those rioters are pissed off, highly pissed off. As to why they’re pissed off, I’ll leave that adjudication to you. I merely aver they’re pissed off.
Which brings us to, Could it happen here? For those of you who are absolutely, positively convinced it can’t, I have a two word rebuttal: it can.
Moreover, we have the right to bear arms.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 07:14 PM
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Try to stay safe, my UK friends...and it wouldn't hurt to carry a weapon of some kind...just in case....HUGS  |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 08:24 PM
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I'd get a dog... a big one... with sharp teeth and a mean growl.
| littlestar wrote: | | Try to stay safe, my UK friends...and it wouldn't hurt to carry a weapon of some kind...just in case....HUGS |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 08:33 PM
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It really sucks to read someone's hometown is being burned. Hopefully, this will end soon.
Since it's been going on for a few days, is there a chance of bringing in the British Army? What about tear gas in some spots? More man power as a show of force to diffuse the melee?
I expect this from the Irish, but.... |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2011 - 08:55 PM
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the Irish?
| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | It really sucks to read someone's hometown is being burned. Hopefully, this will end soon.
Since it's been going on for a few days, is there a chance of bringing in the British Army? What about tear gas in some spots? More man power as a show of force to diffuse the melee?
I expect this from the Irish, but.... |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 12:22 AM
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Protestors?????????????...LOL
These people only want to steal kill and destroy......sound familiar? |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 04:37 AM
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The beat goes on:
As London cleans up from riots, residents fume
With this opening sentence,
“Londoners are angry at rioters and at authorities' response.”
Angry at rioters and at authorities, generalized amorphous anger is the most virulent form of anger.
Howard Beale (Peter Finch, Network) is correct,
“I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!”
Except he’s talking about peaceable assembly protest, or peaceable disassembly protest (like yelling out your window); he wasn’t talking about rioting and looting. The rioters will fail – eventually – with London calmer and the rest of the UK remaining. It’s preordained.
My advice to the rioters, maintain an adversarial relationship with your MP and an amiable relationship with your constabulary. Peaceable redress of grievances works, rioting and looting fails. |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 05:03 AM
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I saw some footage of this on the news here...that is just plain awful....and it can happen here too!
BTW has any one heard from Greenchick? IS she alright?
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 03:44 PM
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and now it becomes political...
The police and government blame social media as the vehicle to organize these riots.
comment 1: "It is a poor weapon that doesn't not point both directions."
comment 2: http://video.foxnews.com/v/110154676000 ... p=obinsite
Mark Steyn's predictions on the fate of western nations. |
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 04:56 PM
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Posted: Aug 10, 2011 - 05:07 PM
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| Sad thing is that these thugs are ruining their future. |
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