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Post subject: A great piece of video...
 Posted: Jun 14, 2011 - 10:14 PM
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During the course of doing a bit of research into what will likely be among my summer travel destinations this year, I came across this piece of video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUv1MG60uE
...although ultimately a marketing tool aimed at facility promotion and generating 'group traffic' for the Williamsburg area, the first half of the presentation does an outstanding job of striking an emotional chord and framing the importance of appreciating history.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 01:53 AM
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Williamsburg is a great place. I took the kids there a few years back to see the live history show they talk about in the video. It takes about 2 1/2 hours total to get through, but it's like being in a play that's going on all around you. Amazing to be part of.
The one thing that stands out about that entire experience is at the end, we were attending a speech by George Washington himself, talking about the freedoms of all men. Next to where we were standing were a few of the actors, who remember, aren't allowed to come out of character. These people were "slaves". This young black man standing next to me and Alice, said, "yeah, right, freedom for all white men".
Alice looked up at him, with all her 4th grade knowledge of her past year history class and said, "don't worry, the Emancipation Proclaimation is coming". This guy looked at her, tried his best to stay in character, and said back, "what you talkin about girl?"
You know that guy had a good laugh after work..... 
A few pictures I dug up from that day:
Go if you can. It's definitely worth it. |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 02:41 AM
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Yeah...it's COOL. Being an FFV I can appreciate the theatrical and inspiring production that they portray. Find it even more interesting that they give a Native quote to start ..then talk of the the BIRTH of a Free Nation...Yes, centered in Virginia... and forget to mention that their WAS a nation of Free People already there...annihilated by these Colonists. I wish that someday they would tell the WHOLE History of the first Colony. Not just starting with the English Colonists that came to own the land...but start with the Original People OF the Land.
It is a Beautiful area...I hope you enjoy my Homeland |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 02:46 AM
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| CaptJTK wrote: | | "...Alice looked up at him, with all her 4th grade knowledge of her past year history class and said, "don't worry, the Emancipation Proclaimation is coming"..." |
...brilliant!
If only her teacher had been there to hear it ...it would have no doubt been one of those rare moments that 'makes it all worth while'!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 03:46 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | "...Yeah...it's COOL. Being an FFV I can appreciate the theatrical and inspiring production that they portray. Find it even more interesting that they give a Native quote to start ..then talk of the the BIRTH of a Free Nation...Yes, centered in Virginia... and forget to mention that their WAS a nation of Free People already there...annihilated by these Colonists. I wish that someday they would tell the WHOLE History of the first Colony. Not just starting with the English Colonists that came to own the land...but start with the Original People OF the Land.
It is a Beautiful area...I hope you enjoy my Homeland..." |
No disrespect LS (or to any of the other folks here with aboriginal ties), but don't you think that most of us here have enough knowledge of North American history to understand that it didn't start with European colonists without the need to climb on a soapbox and point it out with a leveled finger as if we were children in need of an education?
I don't mean to appear insensitive, but that's how you came across at this end.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 06:07 AM
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Sorry You interpreted what I said as a POINTED teaching session...it WAS, in truth...just an expulsion of frustration. I want to be Proud of where I come from...but it has been difficult when even the books they teach the children History from is full of so much incorrect information ( none of which am I referring to Native issues).
Your post just happened to touch that spark within me to bring that emotional outburst out...Sometimes I wish a person could be allowed to just express what is within their Heart...Openly and Honestly...without anyone thinking it has a personal directed point, motive or agenda behind it..what I said was not directed at YOU or anyone...just the WIND...which is as far as it will ever go...
So I guess that basically means I just Blew WIND....excuse me |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 01:42 PM
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I took it to mean you were from Virginia. I thought I remembered you at least used to live in the Virginia / D.C. area. Do you live in southern Cal. now? The Tanner moved from Alameda to Rowland Heights, then he lived in Encino, Marina del Rey, Whittier and Rancho Cucamonga before moving to PA, then Lynchburg. Ruh-ruh.
Terry visits some cool places. I wanted to go to Mayberry and I haven't been in Williamsburg since the 70's. |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 03:05 PM
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| littlestar wrote: | | "...just happened to touch that spark within me to bring that emotional outburst out...Sometimes I wish a person could be allowed to just express what is within their Heart...Openly and Honestly...without anyone thinking it has a personal directed point, motive or agenda behind it..." |
It would appear that you want to make a point of being seen exiting a Baskin Robbins store with a triple scoop cone in each hand, but without anyone suggesting that you enjoy ice cream...
...of course there was a motive/agenda in your post LS!
Unless you live in complete isolation (which a BBS is not), you can't expect to have an 'emotional outburst' as you called it without the people who are subjected to it reacting ...and those reactions - if themselves 'open and honest' (as mine was) - mightn't always be what you want to hear...
...just sayin'.
I still think the first half of that video was well done and speaks to all Americans...
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 03:26 PM
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| teclaydon wrote: | | "...speaks to all Americans..." |
...how you choose to 'hear' it is, of course, up to you.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:00 PM
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Teclaydon, the sad fact is that while SOME of the people here may have a LITTLE knowledge of the true history, most people do not. There IS an audience besides us regular posters and ignorance is a big problem.
Just yesterday I encountered a person who didn't know that most of the tribes in the East (and Midwest) had their own Trail of Tears. She thought only the Cherokee had that happen, and it was some sort of unjust punishment for wrongdoing. It broke her heart to learn that the Trail of Tears was a common experience for all of the eastern tribes, and that the laws were still on the books into her lifetime (and were still being enforced against non-church-going Indians in her parent's lifetime and enforced in general up until after WWI).
It's not been that long that I've encountered both children and adults who think we lived in teepees. I also have to regularly correct people who think we automatically get government money and preferential treatment (the last is true in a NEGATIVE sense). The fact is, I've only met ONE American Indian who got "government money", and she got a total of $200. I've heard lots of screaming about "affirmative action", but also know that without it, many of my people would be unemployed (and some would have NO and I repeat NO education as well)! I only know a handful of Native American people who have even reasonably comfortable lives... and of those people, most have 'sold out' and pretty much assimilated. Most of us are poor if not dirt poor (in spite of high intelligence and/or education) because of de facto discrimination. We also have a reputation for being hard workers with those that really know us, but because we are Indian and poor, people assume we're lazy or 'have a bad work ethic'.
I'm glad LS spoke up. I hope eastern Va has changed their textbooks - I went from grade school through high school there, and left with the idea that Native Americans were actually rather thin on this continent and all we were good for was "The First Thanksgiving" (actually a NA ceremony and the Pilgrims were invited), "Pocahontas", and killing settlers. Oh, and that there were more of us out west and thus we were more of a problem there.
People have been fed stereotypes about us, and as I've learned, we have to teach continuously, even though some people find it irritating (after all, education destroys cherished stereotypes!!!). |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:23 PM
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| rdb wrote: | | ... and of those people, most have 'sold out' and pretty much assimilated. |
If you could go back in time and change 1 thing about your life, what would it be and why. Please be pacific (specific). |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:35 PM
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...another 'thread of good intentions' hijacking.
::sigh::
There's a great easy to use tool out there that looks like this:
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:40 PM
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| teclaydon wrote: | ...another 'thread of good intentions' hijacking.
::sigh::
There's a great easy to use tool out there that looks like this:
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Do you plan to go to Busch Gardens? |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:42 PM
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I don't know if changing just one thing would make a difference, except in a local way. The whole attitude of "I'm better or more worthy than you so I can dominate/enslave/control/take from you" is the problem, and that is what I'd want to change.
Sometimes (not in a long time), I try to imagine what it could have been like if Europeans had come across and treated us as equals and not as things to exploit. I try to imagine how this country might have evolved. I think we might have been visiting the stars now instead of just trying to get to the moon again. I think that hunger might be a thing of the past. I try to envision what life might be like, and I think it would have been a lot better - for everyone. We had many things to share (such as intercropping and the secret of Brazil's Black Soil), but that was ignored by the European invaders in their search for wealth. Now, unless archaeologists and biologists can figure out how the 'black soil' (the most productive soil on the earth - entirely of human creation and created in a resource-poor environment) was made, that is lost to us. I hope the secret is ferreted out - the local tribes are trying to help, but the secret was lost during their holocaust.
In their blindness, the Europeans ignored the very things that could have made a huge impact on the problems in Europe. They imported luxury items and precious things, but ignored that which would have made life easier for everyone there.
The problem stems further back in time than this country or even Europe... some think we evolved with it, but I disagree. Humans also have the capacity (and instinct) for cooperation and compassion. The problem is GREED, and the sad fact is that greed has ruled people for millenia. We need to push it back to something that is considered destructive and harmful for everyone, rather than celebrate it like today. |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:44 PM
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| rdb wrote: | | "...Teclaydon, the sad fact is that while SOME of the people here may have a LITTLE knowledge of the true history, most people do not. There IS an audience besides us regular posters and ignorance is a big problem..." |
...then start a thread to 'educate' on the topic, if that's your aim.
Mine was simply to share an upcoming vacation plan ...not to start a spiraling political dialogue on the historic plight of North American aboriginal peoples. |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 04:46 PM
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Oh... one thing in my life.
The best thing would have to have never gotten involved with the fundamentalist (dominionist) churches back when I was in school - and to have ignored them throughout my life.
Maybe I'd have been on the right path back in the 70s and early 80's instead of now. My faith in God (and Jesus) wouldn't have been shipwrecked either. |
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | | "...Do you plan to go to Busch Gardens?..." |
I don't think so. We'll be in Williamsburg from about mid-afternoon on a Saturday until the Monday morning (about 1 1/2 days). I think the time will be easily - and enjoyably - filled with taking in the historic 'colonial' area (at a leisurely 'colonial' pace) within which there is plenty to experience in terms of sights, dining and shopping.
I have to admit, as an avid amusement park 'goer' in my 20s and 30s, my taste for summer entertainment has become much less 'edgy' in recent years. In small doses, I can still get a kick out of a 'Busch Gardens' from time to time ...but after an hour or so, I'm looking for a quiet and sunny patio somewhere with a suitable beverage list.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 05:18 PM
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| teclaydon wrote: | | "...I have to admit, as an avid amusement park 'goer' in my 20s and 30s, my taste for summer entertainment has become much less 'edgy' in recent years..." |
Mind you, the weekend after Williamsburg will find me doing the tourist thing in Hershey PA, so I may need to get just a little more 'creative' when it comes to things to do that don't necessarily involve animatronics, cotton candy shirt stains and serpentine lineups for overpriced soda...
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 08:01 PM
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OK..well...SORRY...I really didn't have an agenda and I didn't think it would start anything. I did say I appreciated the Theatricality of the Presentation. It is a Romanticized view of the First Colony ..European style...Maybe that is all I should have said.
Just maybe try to walk in my shoes,Terry...what if you stemmed from a Lineage that was in your Home Country and say...I dunno...the SWISS came in and took over your Hometown...the House you Lived in...Killed your Family with spoiled pastry ( or some other silly food or weapon) and then suddenly said THEY had started that whole Provence of Canada...that your Family, Your People who had been there for hundreds of years never existed...were unimportant. The History of that Provence only started when the SWISS came and they only taught the children, from that point forward, that THEY, the Swiss, settled that part of Canada and were the First People ever to exist there. Would that bother you at all?...Would you feel safe enough, among your "supposed" friends to be able to say..."HEY..wait a minute"...etc ?
That's all I did...it just hit me...for a moment...and I reacted...
I guess I should either not be a REAL person...with Honest gut reactions on here...or just shut the hell up about it....I don't know why others can express their inner feelings here, but as soon as I do...I am trying to start trouble. That's why I have to walk away so often..Other sites have no problem with me just being ME...but here...I am good for keeping track of everyone elses important days...or to help someone, but Heaven forbid I should have a moment of Human emotional response. That seems a bit unfair.
I didn't mean to spoil or hijack your post.
OK...
Williamsburg is a really cool area. The Colonial reenactments take you back to a segment of American History that many do not know about. The costumes are great and true to the time period (except for the fact that they are REALLY clean). The Historical Buildings of the time period are intact and well maintained. Though the actors are more ethnically open in the production than they would have been in that time period, one may have a glimpse of what life may have been like for the elite families of this region of Historical Virginia. It is an experience that everyone should try at some point in their Life....
and while traveling the regions of Virginia...don't forget to visit Jamestown, the site of the first settlement colony or Manassas and many other Historical Battlegrounds ..or the first College in the US...the University of Virginia in Charlottesville.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 08:02 PM
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OK kids, here is my two cents for what it is worth.
In all fairness to Terry, the video was a sharing of Williamsburg as an historical site.
As of both Native American and European decent, I can appreciate both histories. I will say this.
The video was a historical reinactment of the time of the early European settlers. It is not meant to be a depiction of the history of the whole North American continent.
If they had tried to include a Native American history, some Natives would have complained that the "white folks were trying to tell our story." And, I have known from the past, that some Native tribal people were approached and asked to tell their stories, but turned the offer down. Sheman Alexie once "shot himself in the foot" for refusing to get involved with a nation wide project involving the history of our nation. This is the MO of a lot of NA people. They want their story told but turn around and refuse to talk when asked.
There are those who are working on educating folks about NA history in positive ways. One of my favorite places is:
http://oyate.org/index.php?option=com_c ... p;Itemid=1
With all of that said, can we please go back to the original topic of the thread?
At the risk of gettng flamed. If Native Americans want their stories told, then they NEED to start telling their stories, perhaps starting with life before the Europeans came. This is what people want to know. How did you live before? What was a typical day like? How did you educate your youth? How did you feed your families? We all pretty much know about all the conflicts, misunderstandings, and abuses (from both sides) that happened during NA/European clashes.
OK, Who would like to start a new NA thread that shares YOUR stories and history?
Sorry for coming in this way Terry. but, I did enjoy the video and the photos that CaptJTK shared. |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 08:20 PM
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 09:02 PM
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"...There ain't nothin' wrong that a few cold Buds can't iron out, in fact you tell me when and where... hell, I'll buy the first round..." -Eric Church
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 09:25 PM
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| teclaydon wrote: | | teclaydon wrote: | | "...I have to admit, as an avid amusement park 'goer' in my 20s and 30s, my taste for summer entertainment has become much less 'edgy' in recent years..." |
Mind you, the weekend after Williamsburg will find me doing the tourist thing in Hershey PA, so I may need to get just a little more 'creative' when it comes to things to do that don't necessarily involve animatronics, cotton candy shirt stains and serpentine lineups for overpriced soda...
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Hershey, PA! My neck of the woods. I'll buy you a beer! |
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 09:42 PM
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | | "...Hershey, PA! My neck of the woods. I'll buy you a beer!..." |
...there just might be a workable plan there!
For the time being though, this afternoon was spent soaking up some rays on the backyard patio here in Toronto with a cool bottle of water within arm's reach...
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