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Post subject: About Enterprise...
 Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 02:20 PM
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How many of you watch Enterprise? I do and I enjoy it very much. Its fresh and funny at times. I see such great potential for the series. What do you all think of it? Would Gene be proud of where the franchise has gone or not? And what about the star of this page? Do you think he watches it, or at least has an opinion on the new series?
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 02:28 PM
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 03:07 PM
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| The second series is an improvement, and far more engaging than the moribund 'Voyager'. But, the episode 'A Night In Sickbay' was embarrassingly written, performed and executed. I love many of the characters, such as T'Pol (not just for her figure) and Dr Phlox (a fine actor in Billingsley), but I find Bakula to be a useless figure of authority; this is only partly blamed on his uncharismatic performance, the writing is also at fault. The "gee whizz" factor is now no longer an excuse for the incompetence of the captain. Other characters seemed to have matured to the nature of space travel, but Archer remains foolish, ignorant, lame, uninspiring and, well, just plain pathetic. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 03:32 PM
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If Gene Roddenberry wasn't cremated, he would be rolling over in his grave over the state of Trek, Enterprise included.
The show is not original. The only thing different about this show is the color of the uniforms. The characters are all the same. The plots are all the same.
This week's episode was a ripoff of any generic A-Team episode, without the cool cast.
Enterprise only hurts Trek's legacy, because not only is the writing piss poor and the acting wooden, the storylines violate established Trek canon almost weekly. The writers simply aren't talented enough to pull the prequel off. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 03:46 PM
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Hi,
Enterprise STINKS.
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 04:08 PM
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I like Enterprise. I liked the paternalism of the Vulcans. I think it's the most probably history. I don't see anything wrong with Archer other than the occasional plot that conforms to PC beyond all (Prime Directive my butt), and that's not the actors/nor the character's fault. I do think his character should be a little more daring, but I think the acting style coupled with the time period works well. I enjoy watching the gadget's evolve. I've not been able to watch it much, but it's much more entertaining than a lot of stuff out there. All in all, I'm glad it's out there, b/c it would really suck not to have Trek in *some* form. IMHO
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 04:18 PM
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That's the problem. Vulcans aren't paternal. They are just arrogant jerks on Enterprise.
They are nothing like the TOS Vulcans. And the technology isn't evolving. It's already too advanced for the time frame. It's even more advanced than 100 years later.
For example, there are no viewscreens or cloaking devices in the 22nd century. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 08:07 PM
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Though I'm in the minority here, I like Enterprise. Especially the characters of Malcolm and Tripp.
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 08:15 PM
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I like Enterprise, though it is in now way better than TOS.
But, I am dissapointed in it. They could do so much more with the series, and really give you an in depth look into the very roots of the mighty federation. But alas, they choose to have this little ship off fighting the Suliban, a race which has never appeared before in Star Trek.
And what about the Klingons? I would have thought that we would see Earth and Quonos in a deadly, bloody war.
And what about the issue of the forehead ridges on the Klingons?
That doesnt look like it will be answered yet. As far as series two is concerned, I am in England so I havent recieved it yet.
My favourites of series one were:
"Silent Enemy," "Shuttlepod One," and "Dear Doctor."
I thought the latter two both charming and well thought out, and the first one, I thought was just plain cool. A typical Star Trek against-the-odds episode. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2002 - 08:16 PM
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Hi,
Archer couldn't carry Kirk's Phaser. This guy is such a dud. Kirk was a stud and also a hero to all of the fans of TOS. Archer is clueless.
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Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 01:08 AM
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I like Enterprise, and I look forward to watching it every week. No, it's not even close to TOS, or even TNG for that matter, but it's still better than most of the crap offered on the networks these days.
I was very disappointed in the first season of the show, but I see major improvement this season thanks mainly to the writing of John Shiban. I look forward to watching this show for many years to come. I do think it has vast room for improvement, and this will begin to happen as the series settles into it's own. I too have problems with the continuity issues, but I think B&B are finally starting to hear the fans, so things can only improve. At least that's what they have alluded to in their recent interviews.
Don't get me wrong, I strongly support the BBK movement, but comparing TOS to Enterprise is camparing apples to oranges, IMHO. Gene is no longer here, and I'm not too happy with B&B, but it's here, so either enjoy what they offer or choose not to watch. It's definitly not the same caliper as the Original Series, but it's all we've got to carry the franchise forward. I would rather that Trek in some form remain in the public eye, then to let it fade slowly into the sunset.
I see this happening with my kids, and their friends. They are watching Enterprise, and slowly coming around to the other series.
All in all, it's a television show. It's not worth getting all worked up about, it's a television show! Yeah, Archer is a wimp at times, and they have a long way to go, but I rather watch Enterprise than nothing at all.
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Post subject: I'm devoted to "Enterprise"
Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 01:24 AM
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Well, I LOVED "Push, Nevada"---but since it was so good, the network cancelled it! Figures!
So, I took up "Birds of Prey," which is only good insofar as it provides eye candy to us guys. Otherwise, it's pretty lame. I missed the series opener, unfortunately. I may eventually drop "Birds of Prey" if it doesn't get better. Candy can't last forever!
So, the ONLY show that I am watching religiously is "Enterprise." I've already griped about Fox cancelling all my favorite shows ("Ally McBeal," "The X-Files," "Xena," and "Dark Angel"), so I'm down to two TV shows a week ("Birds of Prey" and "Enterprise"), and only "Enterprise" is a sure thing. I haven't missed a single episode since it began a season ago. I never got into "Voyager" or "DS9," so this is my follow-up to "ST:TNG."
I can't say the show is all that creative. But one thing it does have in common with TOS and TNG is that it revolves around the exploration of a starship AND it has interesting characters. (I never cared for the "Voyager" premise, and I never cared for the characters, either.) I especially like the T'Pol and Tripp. T'Pol is somehow very sexy; and Tripp is a hoot! As for Archer, he's adequate, but I always get the impression it's ACTING, not an actual starship captain. Scott Bakula is not truly convincing in his performance. William Shatner and Patrick Stewart were always so phenomenal in their performances that you never doubted for a minute that they WERE James T. Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. But when I watch Scott Bakula, I just see Scott Bakula playing a captain. Malcolm and the doctor are fine, and Linda Park plays her role as universal translator very convincingly.
The show could be improved. A better actor than Bakula could have been found. But, overall, I like the chemistry on the show, and it fits the "Star Trek" mold that "Voyager" and "DS9" never could fill.
I agree that a fair-to-midlin' Star Trek series is better than no series at all. And so, I'll stick with this one. It's a good enough entry in the Star Trek universe to keep me coming back every week. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 01:46 AM
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Hey Livid,
Seems that we are of a common opinion.
How's the job going? Glad to see you back on the board!
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Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 06:54 PM
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I watch Enterprise because I've been a fan of Scott Bakula for a long time.
And I actually came to TOS and Mr Shatner through Enterprise.  Therefore I'm totally new to TOS and Capt. Kirk, but I'm learning more about it every day. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 09:30 PM
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I think the actress models are hot hot hot.
Gene would be proud and chasing it. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2002 - 09:41 PM
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I think the episodes are okay, and the characters okay, and the plot lines okay, but I have yet to find an episode that makes me sit on the edge of my seat and clap at the conclusion. I think that they are trying for something different, but that after six hundred hours of Trek, five hundred of them just within the last fifteen years, they are hard-pressed to find something original. If they would find some fresh writers, never once involved with Trek, and put them in charge of writing, then I think that we might get a better feel for the series.
The problem remains, though, and that is to make everything canon. Thus far, I've not been impressed with their ability to keep things streamlined. In the episode 'Carbon Creek', I found more holes in the Vulcan characters than I had ever seen in any other episode ever.
If the series were not Trek, I might like it more, but since it is, well, I'm still waiting for that really good climax.
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Post subject: NX-01 The Great Experiment
Posted: Nov 03, 2002 - 01:35 AM
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Folks I have to give Enterprise the benefit of the doubt. I feel the crew is meshing well and characters are growing. For example, Hoshi. At first I hated her whinning but now she is one of the stronger characters.
Does anyone else have a problem with the audio portion of the show? It went soft on our broadcast in Chicago during the last episode where the chief miner spoke to the lead Klingon raider. So I was unable to hear the exchange.
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Post subject: Enterprize
Posted: Nov 03, 2002 - 04:49 PM
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I enjoyed the last episode in which the bullies got their just reward. I dislikes the "night in sickbay": it tried TOO hard to be funny and flopped. I give the show a B-.  |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2002 - 05:58 PM
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i]Enterprise[/i] was meant to be different. Scott Bakula was a mistake in casting as the Captain.
The only other person I can think of as being a worse Trek starship captain would be Kevin Costner. Bakula and Costner are talented actors but their acting is not in keeping with Trek. Archer is too much "Vulcans can kiss my butt". This weeks episode, T'Pol showed just how much Vulcan butt can be crammed into tight uniforms. Baby has back and it just wasn't pretty from my point of view.
The heavy sexual content is not to my liking. If I wanted Space Porn I'd order Pay-for-View. The episodes have had good story telling potential but are woefully unable to knit the characters together. My expectations was what would Star Trek be like in the begining of the journeys to other worlds, first contact, etc.
So far all Enterprise is doing is following a Vulcan road map and saying "...that speck there looks good. Hope there's a trek-stop I've really gotta pee!" Hey, did Archer give his dog to the Klingon's for an after-dinner dish? I don't remember seeing it this year.
Lots of other observations but time is short. Paramount killed the wrong Captain. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2002 - 09:07 PM
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 I like the new Enterprise. I just wish they would get more character development going in it. The last episode with the Porthos was good. and I like the one when the Vulcans came to earth in the 1950's. that could change alot of star trek history.
I still like the orginal series best. but something is better than nothing |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2002 - 10:27 PM
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I understand a person can have hearling loss at my age but am I the only one with the audio from UPN? Might it be a local transmission problem? ENTERPRISE is the only program I experience it with.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 08:48 AM
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hi
I personally like the show if it can take its place in the star trek hall of fame only time can tell.
I can remember everyone saying how bad voyager was when it first came on t.v. but it turned out fine in the end and we should really just sit back and watch the show and let it stand on its own
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Post subject: about enterprise
Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 03:06 PM
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| I haven't seen it yet but, I'am also a fan of Scott. My manger bro went to school &grew up with hin. His office has a picture of Scott in it, . I love him on Quin Leap & Murphy Brown |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 03:35 PM
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I read an Article in last weeks USA Today comparing TV show Ratings and Enterprise Ratings led the way in lost percentage from last year.
It is down over 40% from last year, that was #1 by a wide margin.
Paramount is still pumping a ton of money into it. It had 1/3 page, color Ad for this week's show.
The Show is Bleeding Money. Paramount might cut its losses before to long.
I would rather they put a new executive producer in charge rather than cancel it, I would give the show another chance if they did that.
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Posted: Nov 04, 2002 - 09:19 PM
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Hi all, i have to agree and disagree with you all!!
I am a great fan of Enterprise, but as some have said Bakula's acting is a little off putting (i grew up with him in Quam leap-and loved it), he always talks as if he is talking down or quoting to children eg:
"Well, if u r gonna stick your hand in the flame, its gonna burn" and "Daddy told you not to go in the woods,didnt he?"
Like DUH!!!! It all seems if he is quoting the script and not acting it, in one episode i counted at least 77% of his lines were quoted and not acted, its as if he is trying to have a querky style of speech (like Mr Bill (warp-god) Shatner), and although many a parody of Startrek has included Bills speech style, it was a character querk that worked and always will, but only for James Tiberius Kirk (and his mirror counterpart of couse)
So in conclusion!!! Scrap Archer and get a more captainy captain!!
All other characters are great, and the technology could have been a little more primitive than at start of series, just to show how hard life was for the original intergalactic warp flights, as it stands we have nearly everything trek except replicaters!!!!!
But keep up the good work to all involved and being in UK, i cant wait for series 2............. |
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