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Post subject: A Couple of Sociological Questions
 Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 02:00 AM
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Location: Your daily life is your temple and your religion. Kahil Gibran
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Before I ask and just to be clear, I am NOT doing an official research project or anything that will be published anywhere (except here). This is just my quirky curiousity at work.
QUESTION 1:
Have you ever noticed how people form their personalities, hair styles, vocabulary, phrases around media characters? Those who like certain TV shows or movies tend to mingle together, form clubs, message boards, etc.
Suppose we lived in a society where there had never been any TVs, movie houses, or even a Hollywood. Suppose there had never been anyone named William Shatner (or at least as we know him).
Do you think that if any of us had met could we find enough in common to establish some sort of relationship... friendship, casual acquaintance, etc. ?
QUESTION 2:
Since a lot of folks spend their time and money to emulate their favorite TV or movie personalities, who do you suppose the TV or movie personalities spend their time and money to emulate? I mean, yeah, Elvis impersonators are everywhere, but who did Elvis emulate, but himself, right? Look at all the people who enjoy dressing up like Klingons, and other ST personalities, but the actors who play those characters are off doing their own thing after the work day is over. Who do they look to as role models... or do they?
And even more subtly, we may not dress in ST attire, but a lot of us think of ST ideals as being something positive and have incorportated some of those ideals into our lives. What if ST never existed? What then?
I will stop now before my brain goes into over drive. 
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Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 02:11 AM
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SMB, are you all right?
Reading that I got a red alert right at
the base of my neck 
My advice to you............. drink heavily  ...until this blows over |
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Post subject: Re: A Couple of Sociological Questions
Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 03:55 AM
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OK SMB, I was hoping somebody would take that and run with it.
I forget sometimes "where" I am
Seriously...
| SMB wrote: | Before I ask and just to be clear, I am NOT doing an official research project or anything that will be published anywhere (except here). This is just my quirky curiousity at work.
QUESTION 1:
Have you ever noticed how people form their personalities, hair styles, vocabulary, phrases around media characters?
No, not really, form their personailty around?
Those who like certain TV shows or movies tend to mingle together, form clubs, message boards, etc.
We didn't form this message board, but it's a nice place to come.
Better than the porn...wait...we can do both
Suppose we lived in a society where there had never been any TVs, movie houses, or even a Hollywood.
Without a Hollywood, I can live with that
Suppose there had never been anyone named William Shatner (or at least as we know him).
Suppose there had never been an SMB or Gornman, why suppose?
Do you think that if any of us had met could we find enough in common to establish some sort of relationship... friendship, casual acquaintance, etc. ?
Depends, I met someone from the net, a Star Trek net, we spent almost 4 yrs together, we talked again recently, you never know. It's not
HOW you meet, it's how it works out from there
QUESTION 2:
Since a lot of folks spend their time and money to emulate their favorite TV or movie personalities
I'm not alot of folks. I don't do that
who do you suppose the TV or movie personalities spend their time and money to emulate? I mean, yeah, Elvis impersonators are everywhere, but who did Elvis emulate, but himself, right? Look at all the people who enjoy dressing up like Klingons, and other ST personalities, but the actors who play those characters are off doing their own thing after the work day is over. Who do they look to as role models... or do they?
don't know, never crossed my mind
And even more subtly, we may not dress in ST attire, but a lot of us think of ST ideals as being something positive and have incorportated some of those ideals into our lives. What if ST never existed? What then?
Star Trek ideals, like doing the right things against adversity have
been around longer than Star Trek, like in the Bible
I will stop now before my brain goes into over drive.
Just something to ponder.
I hope you don't mind my pondering as well
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Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 09:19 AM
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I imagine that it would be quite different if we did not have media access to some of the people we have never actually met or to some of the places we have never actually been to.
It would be interesting to have a group of people read a book about a group of fictional characters. The book would have no pictures or illustrations of any kind, only written descriptions of the characters.
The experiment would be to have each reader then draw a picture of what they think the characters would look like, or who they thought of when they read the descriptions of the characters.
Likewise, the book would talk about a fictional place, but there would be no pictures. How would each person draw the place? |
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Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 09:57 AM
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That's why it's often so unsatisfactory seeing the film of a beloved book. I don't want somebody else's inerpretation intruding on my version of the characters and events. On the other hand, if somebody else sees what you see in the book, it can be exciting.
I belong to a book club and it's always fascinating to see how peoples' interpretation of the same character varies. Partly it's because everybody brings a different experience to the book. We particularly enjoy character driven rather than action driven books as there is so much more to discuss, so much more ambiguity.
As for emulating somebody just because they are famous just seems completely shallow to me. If they are famous because of something wonderful they do or have done for other people that's one thing, but to idolise somebody for being lucky enough to have a good singing voice or acting ability is silly in my view. The real heroes in life are the unsung ones, the firemen, nurses etc |
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Post subject: Re: A Couple of Sociological Questions
Posted: Mar 19, 2010 - 12:49 PM
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| SMB wrote: | Before I ask and just to be clear, I am NOT doing an official research project or anything that will be published anywhere (except here). This is just my quirky curiousity at work.
QUESTION 1:
Have you ever noticed how people form their personalities, hair styles, vocabulary, phrases around media characters? Those who like certain TV shows or movies tend to mingle together, form clubs, message boards, etc.
Suppose we lived in a society where there had never been any TVs, movie houses, or even a Hollywood. Suppose there had never been anyone named William Shatner (or at least as we know him).
Do you think that if any of us had met could we find enough in common to establish some sort of relationship... friendship, casual acquaintance, etc. ?
QUESTION 2:
Since a lot of folks spend their time and money to emulate their favorite TV or movie personalities, who do you suppose the TV or movie personalities spend their time and money to emulate? I mean, yeah, Elvis impersonators are everywhere, but who did Elvis emulate, but himself, right? Look at all the people who enjoy dressing up like Klingons, and other ST personalities, but the actors who play those characters are off doing their own thing after the work day is over. Who do they look to as role models... or do they?
And even more subtly, we may not dress in ST attire, but a lot of us think of ST ideals as being something positive and have incorportated some of those ideals into our lives. What if ST never existed? What then?
I will stop now before my brain goes into over drive.
Just something to ponder. |
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I am just me and that is all I will ever be. TV's or no TV's my life would have been STAR TREK since the day I was born.
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Clones or no clones I would have been a "HOOLIGAN" since the day I was born.
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Fakes or flakes I will always be the only singer of what I create.
"MBI"
That is my sociological response.
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Post subject: Re: A Couple of Sociological Questions
Posted: Mar 20, 2010 - 12:59 AM
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| SMB wrote: | Before I ask and just to be clear, I am NOT doing an official research project or anything that will be published anywhere (except here). This is just my quirky curiousity at work.
QUESTION 1:
Have you ever noticed how people form their personalities, hair styles, vocabulary, phrases around media characters? Those who like certain TV shows or movies tend to mingle together, form clubs, message boards, etc.
Suppose we lived in a society where there had never been any TVs, movie houses, or even a Hollywood. Suppose there had never been anyone named William Shatner (or at least as we know him).
Do you think that if any of us had met could we find enough in common to establish some sort of relationship... friendship, casual acquaintance, etc. ?
QUESTION 2:
Since a lot of folks spend their time and money to emulate their favorite TV or movie personalities, who do you suppose the TV or movie personalities spend their time and money to emulate? I mean, yeah, Elvis impersonators are everywhere, but who did Elvis emulate, but himself, right? Look at all the people who enjoy dressing up like Klingons, and other ST personalities, but the actors who play those characters are off doing their own thing after the work day is over. Who do they look to as role models... or do they?
And even more subtly, we may not dress in ST attire, but a lot of us think of ST ideals as being something positive and have incorportated some of those ideals into our lives. What if ST never existed? What then?
I will stop now before my brain goes into over drive.
Just something to ponder. |
I have never formed my personality, style, etc., on celebs, and don't really know anyone has. I think that would be selling yourself short, and a shame if anyone does that.
I would have been friends with some of the people on this site if I had met them elsewhere. The trick is, you don't know who people are if the only place you have spoken to them is on a chat site. I have been fortunate enough to speak to several people from this site via phone, and many by e-mail.
As far as who celebs may emulate, haven't a clue. Hopefully, no one. To me, ST was just a fun show, and didn't really pass on any ideals to me, nor did it have a positive or negative effect on my life. I learned my ideals from my family, friends, and church. |
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Post subject: Re: A Couple of Sociological Questions
Posted: Mar 20, 2010 - 01:22 AM
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| SMB wrote: | Before I ask and just to be clear, I am NOT doing an official research project or anything that will be published anywhere (except here). This is just my quirky curiousity at work.
QUESTION 1:
Have you ever noticed how people form their personalities, hair styles, vocabulary, phrases around media characters? Those who like certain TV shows or movies tend to mingle together, form clubs, message boards, etc.
Suppose we lived in a society where there had never been any TVs, movie houses, or even a Hollywood. Suppose there had never been anyone named William Shatner (or at least as we know him).
Do you think that if any of us had met could we find enough in common to establish some sort of relationship... friendship, casual acquaintance, etc. ?
YES. Water seeks its own level.
QUESTION 2:
Since a lot of folks spend their time and money to emulate their favorite TV or movie personalities, who do you suppose the TV or movie personalities spend their time and money to emulate? I mean, yeah, Elvis impersonators are everywhere, but who did Elvis emulate, but himself, right? Look at all the people who enjoy dressing up like Klingons, and other ST personalities, but the actors who play those characters are off doing their own thing after the work day is over. Who do they look to as role models... or do they?
NO. Not all. There are originals. Elvis is an original. Lady Gaga, however, is the love child of Cher and Madonna.
And even more subtly, we may not dress in ST attire, but a lot of us think of ST ideals as being something positive and have incorportated some of those ideals into our lives. What if ST never existed? What then?
The themes in Star Trek are mostly all based in ancient mythology. The characters and settings may be futuristic (for their the time) but the themes remain the same. ie: Good shall triumph over evil.
I will stop now before my brain goes into over drive.
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Posted: Mar 20, 2010 - 02:31 AM
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| Good answers. |
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