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 Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 08:29 PM
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| A wilde animal - so a domestic one - it's not our toy neither a clown for our amusement! We so often forget about it. The circusses, never mind how we name them, Barnum's Circuss or Sea World, is not a place for a wild animal. That tragedy is a proof.<br> |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 10:08 PM
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| morgram wrote: | ...
you cannot equate animals with people. |
Sure you can.
People, human beings, Eukarya-Animalia-Chordata-Vertebrata-Mammalia-Primate-Homindae-Homo-Homo sapiens are animals.
Just like cats, dogs, squirrels and killer whales are animals.
The Last Universal Ancestor (LUA) lived on Earth 3.5 - 3.8 billion years ago, sometime during the Paleoarchean Era. It gave rise to the following phylogenetic tree:
morgram, notice that you, I, and fungi are Eukaryota. That means you, I, and fungi have a common ancestor; whence, we're all related.
So the next time you sprinkle antifungal medication to obliterate your pesky athlete's foot, don't forget to say:
"Hasta la vista, distant relative!" |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 10:57 PM
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I sees it this way:
Killer Whale: 3
Humans: ????
How many killer whales have been "extinguished" due to humans??
It's revenge for that. Plain and simple!!  |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 11:16 PM
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The Human Animal has forgotten HOW to communicate with his brethren and forget that they do NOT follow the same clocks and schedules as the hairless apes choose to follow. It is HUMAN error in this Tragedy...
This Whale needs to be retired....period |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 12:25 AM
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Tilikum had a rap sheet.
FREE TILIKUM!!! |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 12:36 AM
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| kstahmer wrote: | | morgram wrote: | ...
you cannot equate animals with people. |
Sure you can.
People, human beings, Eukarya-Animalia-Chordata-Vertebrata-Mammalia-Primate-Homindae-Homo-Homo sapiens are animals.
Just like cats, dogs, squirrels and killer whales are animals.
The Last Universal Ancestor (LUA) lived on Earth 3.5 - 3.8 billion years ago, sometime during the Paleoarchean Era. It gave rise to the following phylogenetic tree:
morgram, notice that you, I, and fungi are Eukaryota. That means you, I, and fungi have a common ancestor; whence, we're all related.
So the next time you sprinkle antifungal medication to obliterate your pesky athlete's foot, don't forget to say:
"Hasta la vista, distant relative!" |
Problem is I do not believe in the evolutionary theory. Yep. Just mark me down as yet another pro-creation religious zealot.   |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 01:20 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | The Human Animal has forgotten HOW to communicate with his brethren and forget that they do NOT follow the same clocks and schedules as the hairless apes choose to follow. It is HUMAN error in this Tragedy...
This Whale needs to be retired....period |
Agreed...
But Tilikum's retirement is problematic.
Why? Here's why:
"SeaWorld's only concern is profits; animal welfare is not their priority."
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"Money makes the world go around,
The world go around,
The world go around,
Money makes the world go around,
Of that we can be sure.
Pffft on being poor."
-- Liza Minnelli, Joel Grey (Cabaret, Money) |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 03:36 AM
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Underneath our fascade of designer clothing, fast cars, techno-gadgets, we are all animals pure and simple.
I am living proof. One time, I thought our car was going over the side of a mountain. I let out a sound that was pure animal, not recognizably human. Since then, I knew the truth about being a human animal. |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 04:29 PM
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| morgram wrote: | ...
Problem is I do not believe in the evolutionary theory. Yep. Just mark me down as yet another pro-creation religious zealot. |
| littlestar wrote: | The Human Animal has forgotten HOW to communicate with his brethren and forget that they do NOT follow the same clocks and schedules as the hairless apes choose to follow. It is HUMAN error in this Tragedy...
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"Humans don't have dominion over animals. We are animals. We're the fifth ape."
-- Richard Dawkins, The Fifth Ape
"Frightful and painfully and disagreeably human"
-- Queen Victoria (her unsettled reaction upon first seeing an orangutan named Jenny at the London Zoo in 1842) |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 05:25 PM
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| kstahmer wrote: | | morgram wrote: | ...
Problem is I do not believe in the evolutionary theory. Yep. Just mark me down as yet another pro-creation religious zealot. |
| littlestar wrote: | The Human Animal has forgotten HOW to communicate with his brethren and forget that they do NOT follow the same clocks and schedules as the hairless apes choose to follow. It is HUMAN error in this Tragedy...
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"Humans don't have dominion over animals. We are animals. We're the fifth ape."
-- Richard Dawkins, The Fifth Ape
"Frightful and painfully and disagreeably human"
-- Queen Victoria (her unsettled reaction upon first seeing an orangutan named Jenny at the London Zoo in 1842) |
I do not concern myself with the ramblings of supremely self-important and Godless a-holes.  |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 08:03 PM
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My boyfriend used to do sound for Sea World and he said at night after hours, the whales start screaming and crying and it is obvious they're miserable and know they're alone and are upset about it. Some of them also become suicidal and bash themselves into the walls of their tanks. the corporations who own those parks try to swear the employees to secrecy about that kind of thing. But if you have a conscience, or a soul, you gotta want that to stop. I'd give anything if some investigative reporters got in and documented what their existences are really like.
not that the oceans are any safer for them, unfortunately. but they are social animals and forced to solitary confinement and highly intelligent=not a healthy combination. I don't frequent those places. |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 10:49 PM
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Dawn Brancheau was a professional who loved, and sincerely believed she understood, killer whales.
She took chances - crowd pleasing, SeaWorld encouraged chances - which cost her, her life:
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 11:05 PM
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Hi jena_fuller,
Like your sig:
scientia non habet inimicvm nisi ignorantem
(science has no enemy but ignorance)
so apropos to this thread. |
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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 11:55 PM
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Hey isn't that the truth.  thanks |
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| littlestar wrote: | ...
This Whale needs to be retired....period |
Before it was problematic, now it definite:
No Tillikum retirement.
Plus SeaWorld is blaming the victim.
SeaWorld: Don't Screw With Us. |
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The trainer was dragged into the water Wednesday by Tilikum. The medical examiner says she likely died of traumatic injuries and drowning.
Atchison says Tilikum will remain an "active, contributing member of the team" at SeaWorld.
Atchison says whale shows will resume Saturday. He says he's not sure how long it will be before trainers are allowed to get back in the water with the animals.
Tilikum is the only killer whale in the SeaWorld chain that the park has special handling rules for, Atchison said. The 22-foot, 12,000-pound male was involved in two earlier deaths at SeaWorld and a park in British Columbia.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587498,00.html
Special handling rules.....
I see this pretty clearly. The bean-counters have told the Sea World
CEO that it's OK to continue the $how. It doesn't happen often enough
to think of killing our revenue....
I think this guy is setting himself up for a HUGE fall/fail. I think
it's simply a matter of time... |
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I think SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment President Jim Atchison will take a fall as well.
The trouble is:
Not certain if I believe this because he actually takes a fall, or, because I want him to take a fall. There are plenty of things we want, but never get.
Believe the key is civil - not criminal - litigation. The goal is not to win the cases, but to win public opinion.
Atchison's success is directly proportional to gate receipts. As long as the public shows up, he's right as rain. |
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