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Post subject: How bad is the Economy?
 Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 04:35 PM
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A man in Oklahoma City said he was attacked for his bologna and cheese sandwich. Police say 24-year-old Roger Hamilton told them he was sitting on a bus station bench Wednesday, about to put mayonnaise on his sandwich, when another man began staring at him.
Hamilton told police that the man then punched him in the mouth and grabbed his sandwich and left.
Police said Hamilton has a swollen lip and his face was covered in blood. The police report listed the value of the sandwich at 76 cents.
Police have not found the attacker.
...and we thought we had it bad!
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Post subject: Re: How bad is the Economy?
Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 04:49 PM
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desperate circumstances lead to desperate acts.
However, I think the recession has bottomed out and I see signs of recovery.
| windslipper wrote: | A man in Oklahoma City said he was attacked for his bologna and cheese sandwich. Police say 24-year-old Roger Hamilton told them he was sitting on a bus station bench Wednesday, about to put mayonnaise on his sandwich, when another man began staring at him.
Hamilton told police that the man then punched him in the mouth and grabbed his sandwich and left.
Police said Hamilton has a swollen lip and his face was covered in blood. The police report listed the value of the sandwich at 76 cents.
Police have not found the attacker.
...and we thought we had it bad!
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 04:54 PM
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| I have known some people to deliberately get into fist fights just so they can be taken to jail where they know they will get fed. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 05:29 PM
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My guess is that we all should be thankful for what we have instead of what we have not........
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 05:35 PM
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Sadly, that sort of hunger is fairly common in this country.
People who are homeless may go for a couple of days a week without food. Unless they are lucky, they may only get one meal a day at that.
One thing that I've seen in some areas and that I strongly advocate is a coordinated effort to help those people. In some cases, the groups that help people who are homeless will all provide food on essentially the same days- so that the person has to choose where they will go and miss out on others.
People who see someone who is homeless shouldn't be disgusted- they should be humbled and thankful, because almost everyone is only a few paychecks away from homelessness. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 05:44 PM
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| rdb wrote: | Sadly, that sort of hunger is fairly common in this country.
People who are homeless may go for a couple of days a week without food. Unless they are lucky, they may only get one meal a day at that.
One thing that I've seen in some areas and that I strongly advocate is a coordinated effort to help those people. In some cases, the groups that help people who are homeless will all provide food on essentially the same days- so that the person has to choose where they will go and miss out on others.
People who see someone who is homeless shouldn't be disgusted- they should be humbled and thankful, because almost everyone is only a few paychecks away from homelessness. |
Well Said, Bob!
Star Trek covered this subject with City on the Edge of Forever... Way back in the 60s....
One of my favorite Bible quotes is:
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Bringing Food to the Homeless is kinda' like that...
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 05:55 PM
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I have this weird routine I do....I often go to Yardsales where there are clothes for 25 cents to a Dollar ( For a Ski or leather jacket)....I buy stuff and then I go around and gift them with clothes, blankets, tarps, rope, socks, shoes, and FIRST AID KIT, plus toiletries from when I used to travel allot...they share them with others.... I don't eat junk food anymore, but if I go in with someone else..I buy it and give it to someone hanging outside.
( they tend to congregate around Carl's Jr for some reason)
I like to share...you'd think I was born in the depression the way I hang onto stuff....ask Di...I had lingerie that was 3 sizes too small for me,since I grew a big azz, but new and useful for the girls |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 08:46 PM
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I like to share...you'd think I was born in the depression the way I hang onto stuff....ask Di...I had lingerie that was 3 sizes too small for me,since I grew a big azz, but new and useful for the girls |
I'm in the same mindset, except I don't hang onto stuff. I just don't buy it. If I'm out and I see something, the first question that comes to mind is "do I really NEED that"? If the answer is no, I don't get it. I've taught the kids to think that way also, and decide what's really important and what's not. I guess I'm just cheap, right?
There is one thing that I hang onto, cars. My car is 17 years old, still runs good, looks good, so why bother with a car payment. And the price of a new Mercedes???  Forgettaboutit. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 08:47 PM
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Littlestar, you sound so much like us. We can't afford to buy things to give to other people, but we DO help where we can- and sharing is FAR more fun than not.
When I encounter people who are about to throw (good useful) things away- I suggest that they take them to the nearest homeless shelter, or to an organization that helps poor people. If those organizations can't use them directly, they take the stuff somewhere else where it would be used.
Several truckloads worth of stuff have gone to the shelters that would otherwise have gone into the trash. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 08:52 PM
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CaptainJTK- one of our cars is 35 years old (but we don't drive it because it guzzles gas), the other is nearly 20. I don't much like getting rid of cars either.
However, the 20 year old car (the newer one) has over 200,000 miles on it- and it's too tired for the routine I have to put it through. So I hope to someday sell the Tbird and get something fairly new- and let the Escort (the newer car) retire to local runs (such as the store) only. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 09:03 PM
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My mercedes has 177,000 on it, and terrible mpg. That's why the bike comes in handy. 50 - 60 mpg, it's a no brainer, as long as the weather cooperates.
rdb, any idea where I could donate some old bicycles? They need a little work but I'm sure there's some kids somewhere that would appreciate having their own ride. I just need to think of somewhere where they would fix them up. I would but I just don't have the time. Ideas? |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 11:08 PM
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I remember something about an organization that takes bikes and gets them to kids.
If you don't mind telling me what town/city you live in, I could do some checking. I wouldn't just give those to any organization that helps the poor- some of them take the better stuff and sell it for a profit (which doesn't usually trickle down to the people they're supposed to be helping). |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2009 - 11:23 PM
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That's true...I've tested it...and get this..if say, accidentally, a box of things you weren't getting rid of, should happen to end up in the Salvation Army Pick up and you go there to retrieve it...THEY TRY TO SELL IT TO YOU!!!
I know , because it happened to an Elder Lady and I had to SCREAM at the Mgr. to give her things back !!!
I like to give directly...that way I know it makes it ....
How about getting some help to fix up those bikes, Steve...from one of the neighbors with a kind heart...or even a really smart and mechanical teen...
and then find out from a local organization who they are collecting names of for next Xmas and then you draw their names and HO HO HO..there ya go !!! |
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| CaptJTK wrote: | | littlestar wrote: |
I like to share...you'd think I was born in the depression the way I hang onto stuff....ask Di...I had lingerie that was 3 sizes too small for me,since I grew a big azz, but new and useful for the girls |
I'm in the same mindset, except I don't hang onto stuff. I just don't buy it. If I'm out and I see something, the first question that comes to mind is "do I really NEED that"? If the answer is no, I don't get it. I've taught the kids to think that way also, and decide what's really important and what's not. I guess I'm just cheap, right?
There is one thing that I hang onto, cars. My car is 17 years old, still runs good, looks good, so why bother with a car payment. And the price of a new Mercedes??? Forgettaboutit. |
I have always done this . It is a great disipline. The only one of my kids that didnt follow my teaching, was a see it, want it, buy it. and now she is in terrible financial trouble, IN the US.
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We have a chain of stores called Village de Valeur (Value Village) that my daughter Hannah and I frequent. Here, we search for designer "pieces" that are under $10. Items of clothing that are in perfectly good shape but the original owner may have outgrown (literally...). We are often lucky on account she's a size 4 and I'm a 12. Sizes that aren't very popular. Sometimes we find vintage pieces that add a timeless quality to an outfit.
I recently found a blazer by Jones of NY in chocolate brown wool/silk blend which I know was over $200 in the department stores for $8. I get compliments on it each time I've worn it. |
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I have always done this . It is a great disipline. The only one of my kids that didnt follow my teaching, was a see it, want it, buy it. and now she is in terrible financial trouble, IN the US.
Not Cheap at all. just very wise:)
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That's too bad about your daughter Daisy, and thank you for the compliment.
My oldest was getting like that, so I forced her to get a job a few months back and start paying for her own stuff. I think it's working. Now when she goes shopping, she calculates how many hours of work it takes to pay for something, and I've noticed the overindulging has stopped.
For me, there's 2 things I spend money on, music (CD's) and lessons. Every other week when I get paid, I buy myself a few new CD's. Our Barnes & Noble has great blues/jazz/cajun section, and that's a passion. When I really want to go overboard I go into NYC to J&R Music world, three stories of every kind of music. That's only once or twice a year.
I also pay my piano teacher, but that's a must. The piano is how I unwind.
My dream job (someday when I retire) is to be that old guy that plays piano in the lobby of the hotel bar.....  |
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| rdb wrote: | I remember something about an organization that takes bikes and gets them to kids.
If you don't mind telling me what town/city you live in, I could do some checking. I wouldn't just give those to any organization that helps the poor- some of them take the better stuff and sell it for a profit (which doesn't usually trickle down to the people they're supposed to be helping). |
If you wouldn't mind doing that, it would be great.
I live in the Mount Tabor/Denville area, Morris County, NJ.
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As a rule, I make most of my clothes. I do have a few store outfits that were B'day or Christmas gifts.
I have never been too keen on watching the latest fashions. I figure those designers don't know me from Adam (or perhaps I should say Eve). Why would I want to wear something with their name on the label? Plus they probably wouldn't give me the time of day. I just figure they are after someone else's money, not mine. |
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| I remember as a child,my late mother would buy me clothes and toys that I wanted only for certain occasions such as holiday gifts and birthdays.All through my teens,I was still small(not skinny small) and my sister would give me her clothes that she doesn't use anymore,and my mother would bring clothes that rich people(whom she'd worked for so we can get a green card in NJ) would pass over.I would wear them to school,to church or wherever with pride.They were good,some of them expensive(from those same rich folks)and it was a style that no one in school had.But I was not making a fashion statement,mind you,and I was grateful.As a dual-citizen adult,I am now able to shop for my own clothes:when I was working and right now,when I'm not.I buy what I needed,and that includes food.Although it is rough most of time,I reached my state of contentment.You live and learn and I agree with you,guys about being thankful.Peace and God bless America! |
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| What country are you from Shatrules? |
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Trinidad| CaptJTK wrote: | | What country are you from Shatrules? |
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| CaptJTK wrote: | | Quote: |
I have always done this . It is a great disipline. The only one of my kids that didnt follow my teaching, was a see it, want it, buy it. and now she is in terrible financial trouble, IN the US.
Not Cheap at all. just very wise:)
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That's too bad about your daughter Daisy, and thank you for the compliment.
My oldest was getting like that, so I forced her to get a job a few months back and start paying for her own stuff. I think it's working. Now when she goes shopping, she calculates how many hours of work it takes to pay for something, and I've noticed the overindulging has stopped.
For me, there's 2 things I spend money on, music (CD's) and lessons. Every other week when I get paid, I buy myself a few new CD's. Our Barnes & Noble has great blues/jazz/cajun section, and that's a passion. When I really want to go overboard I go into NYC to J&R Music world, three stories of every kind of music. That's only once or twice a year.
I also pay my piano teacher, but that's a must. The piano is how I unwind.
My dream job (someday when I retire) is to be that old guy that plays piano in the lobby of the hotel bar..... |
From what I read in here you seem to have great kids as I said. and these days it is so tough being a parent. so many temptations out there.
You know I have always done that. How many hours did my son and daughter in law have to work. and "often" pulled up my grand children with this. Like! you do realise your Mum has to work X number of days just for whatever:) Kind of went over their heads. But when they got jobs at Woolworth they began to manage money well. so in the end the teaching works, just hang in there . And now my two grand kids are in The Navy and The air Force.
Glad you found the washing BTW I can just see you at that piano, in the future:)
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Posted: Jun 21, 2009 - 03:10 AM
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IBM has layed off hundreds here in New York of late... and there are no jobs to replace their incomes....
Sad state of affairs... to be sure.... 
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| windslipper wrote: | IBM has layed off hundreds here in New York of late... and there are no jobs to replace their incomes....
Sad state of affairs... to be sure....
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It's the same here. I keep hearing about how the economy is turning around, but every time I turn on the news, another company is going down. There are dozens of empty buildings indicating lost jobs, just in our area. Our clients and customers are going under. I've never seen anything like this.  |
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| Cat wrote: | | windslipper wrote: | IBM has layed off hundreds here in New York of late... and there are no jobs to replace their incomes....
Sad state of affairs... to be sure....
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It's the same here. I keep hearing about how the economy is turning around, but every time I turn on the news, another company is going down. There are dozens of empty buildings indicating lost jobs, just in our area. Our clients and customers are going under. I've never seen anything like this. |
Same in this area. We'vs been mostly auto manufacturing for the last several decades. Now, everyone is getting laid-off (temporary and "permanent"). My uncle worked for the local Chevy plant for 23 yrs. He is now one of the "until further notice" layoffs. He gets unemployment, but is further in debt now than he ever was. (Of course, paying for everything for your adult children doesn't help either--but they finally stopped doing that) |
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