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I worry more about Stephanie,and her Family, eating Dog Food...I hope it had gravy on it....sorry, it's not funny  |
Then why did you make the gravy crack in the first place?
Do you think I'm the only person to have to resort to eating dog food?
I'm not and it's been done plenty of times in the past... and plenty of times today.
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I was trying to make light of a serious situation...and YOU are not the only one on this Board to deal with People in dire straits....
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| Stephanie wrote: | | littlestar wrote: |
I worry more about Stephanie,and her Family, eating Dog Food...I hope it had gravy on it....sorry, it's not funny |
Then why did you make the gravy crack in the first place?
Do you think I'm the only person to have to resort to eating dog food?
I'm not and it's been done plenty of times in the past... and plenty of times today.
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Many years ago (in the UK) when I was just 7 to ten. I had survived world war 2 but I was an invalid.,and hunger was a daily battle, we went to bed to keep warm and as we had no food it was the best way to survive, father was desperately ill from war wounds, and my mother was fragile. However thanks to Jinny Nonas. our dear neighbour, we survived, what she would do was go to the open market at the end of the day and in the bins were carrots potatoes all sorts of left over veggies that would not survive to the next day. she used to pick the best . and she had this HUGE pan that always had thick soup with legumes. at the end of the day she would give us what was left . and the next day she would do this all over again.
recently I watched Oprah and believe or not many people even some well healed were in fact doing this. Dog food BTW is sometimes animals that have TB and cancer , My daughter and daughter inlaw both worked when younger in a meat works, so be careful.
when dad got stronger he could make a meal out of scraps. mainly legumes these were always available after the war, this was an era of ration books and (thin people) people used to help each other to survive another day, until things eventually got better.
I feel for all those with hardships, believe me my friends I have been there. and hope is your only crutch
Take care . and good luck. I know several on this forum are doing it tough. as is my daughter in the US.
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Dog food BTW is sometimes animals that have TB and cancer , My daughter and daughter inlaw both worked when younger in a meat works, so be careful. |
Like I said, it beats going hungry entirely.
I can't worry about cancer or any other disease over worrying about an empty stomach. If I must choose between a completely empty stomach NOW and couple of weeks before starving dead and possibly cancer or another disease later... and that's just a 'maybe' -- I will have to choose for the immediate survival and deal with other things later. Otherwise, there will be no later.
I never thought that - at the age of 48 - I'd have been reduced to this. I grew up solidly middle class and never 'wanted' for anything. I spent most of my marriage wealthy. Now, hubby at 63 and I at 48, are facing starvation. This is unbelievable. Just totally unbelievable.
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I feel for all those with hardships, believe me my friends I have been there. and hope is your only crutch
Take care . and good luck. I know several on this forum are doing it tough. as is my daughter in the US.
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Oh, I'm quite aware that I'm hardly alone. Many of my immediate neighbors are in the same boat as I. We have pooled our food to make community suppers for us all that are better than what each of us would have been able to make alone. Yet, we still can't make ends meet and eat healthily.
Today I must make yet another tough choice: Do I buy my Tramadol or buy my husband's blood pressure medicine? I don't have enough to buy both. I can only have one until next Friday...
If his blood pressure rises, he could die. If I don't alleviate my chronic pain, I could make another suicide attempt, possibly, if I can't take the pain any longer. I've attempted suicide 4 times already, in the past 22 years. I'm not suicidal right now, but it's quite possible that, after a week of unmitigated pain, I will be. I'm all too aware of the potential consequences. How do I choose which med to buy?
I suppose it's gonna have to be hubby's blood pressure medicine. That's the more immediate threat, at the moment. |
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Dog food BTW is sometimes animals that have TB and cancer , My daughter and daughter inlaw both worked when younger in a meat works, so be careful. |
Like I said, it beats going hungry entirely.
I can't worry about cancer or any other disease over worrying about an empty stomach. If I must choose between a completely empty stomach NOW and couple of weeks before starving dead and possibly cancer or another disease later... and that's just a 'maybe' -- I will have to choose for the immediate survival and deal with other things later. Otherwise, there will be no later.
I never thought that - at the age of 48 - I'd have been reduced to this. I grew up solidly middle class and never 'wanted' for anything. I spent most of my marriage wealthy. Now, hubby at 63 and I at 48, are facing starvation. This is unbelievable. Just totally unbelievable.
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I feel for all those with hardships, believe me my friends I have been there. and hope is your only crutch
Take care . and good luck. I know several on this forum are doing it tough. as is my daughter in the US.
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Oh, I'm quite aware that I'm hardly alone. Many of my immediate neighbors are in the same boat as I. We have pooled our food to make community suppers for us all that are better than what each of us would have been able to make alone. Yet, we still can't make ends meet and eat healthily.
Today I must make yet another tough choice: Do I buy my Tramadol or buy my husband's blood pressure medicine? I don't have enough to buy both. I can only have one until next Friday...
If his blood pressure rises, he could die. If I don't alleviate my chronic pain, I could make another suicide attempt, possibly, if I can't take the pain any longer. I've attempted suicide 4 times already, in the past 22 years. I'm not suicidal right now, but it's quite possible that, after a week of unmitigated pain, I will be. I'm all too aware of the potential consequences. How do I choose which med to buy?
I suppose it's gonna have to be hubby's blood pressure medicine. That's the more immediate threat, at the moment. |
I write about this subject frequently but it's distant to me. Following this thread makes it real. Thank you for your honesty and a different perspective.
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Have you tried with the Pharmaceutical Companies to see if you may get a lower price or FREE Prescriptions?....Also in working with people in situations like yours...YES, I work in the field...a contact to Mental Health Services may yield help, because of the suicide threat. Have you already asked for generic types of meds, in order to get reduced price at Walgreens or WalMart ?
No churches in your area have funds for help?
See, I do care...my comment before was genuine stimulus to start discussion...and also, if I had to eat it...I would most definitely smother it in gravy...I found pasta to be cheaper than pet food...and during College I ate allot of pasta....plain, or if lucky, with butter and grated Govt Cheese.
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We used to eat grits and macaroni and cheese (generally with tuna, sometimes without). Macaroni and cheese generally sold for 4 packages for a a dollar- and a bag of grits was also pretty cheap. Tuna back then ran about a quarter a can. Our food budget was $20 for a week OR LESS for two people for several years. Some days we only ate grits. Our splurge was to make a pot of spaghetti and stretch it out for a few days.
It's not a healthy diet by any stretch, but it does keep you alive, and I THINK it would be even cheaper than dog food. At that time, we didn't have pets.
I was interviewed yesterday as part of a round-table discussion on health care, and I shared my bad experiences with the health care system. Part of the interview was put on one of our local radio stations. I am very much an advocate for socialized medicine, because I've experienced the evil of today's system in this country. I've had problems with kidney stones (among many other problems), and I actually had a doctor punch me in the affected kidney because we didn't have insurance or an income so we could pay the hospital bill. Indeed- after waiting in the waiting room (and in an examining room) for over six hours- the doctor's first (and obviously only) concern when he came in was about our insurance and how we'd pay.
It was my word against his, and so I never pursued it. They never believe a poor person- especially when he's going up against a doctor.
That's only just one bad situation out of dozen's I've personally witnessed.
I've been forced to beg for food from the local homeless shelter several times, we've gone without power for three months because of health issues (I can't hold down a "regular job" and it's hard to make ends meet on one income), and we've been forced to choose between medicine and other needs (such as food on the table) several times.
No, the present system is badly broken... and it's costing the country far more than if they'd spend the money to fix it.
I think there are several people on this blog who understand going through tough times. |
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I am just glad that our overall expenses are low. We don't have a house or car payment and we try to keep our utilities consumption down. We are able to grow some food and we can both get pretty creative in the kitchen.
When all else fails, there is Rhamon noodles for .17 a pack. Not the most nutritious, but can stretch out a small amount of meat and veggies very nicely.
What the Muskogee used to do whenever they had a gathering was to put out three baskets: one for vegetables, one for fruit, and another for bread. If someone brought meat, that was special. Everyone brought some sort of vegetable, fruit, and bread. The vegetables and meat (if available) were placed in a large pot and cooked into a stew or soup. The fruit provided dessert and the bread was usually fry bread cooked by the ladies and it was delicious. |
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I write about this subject frequently but it's distant to me. Following this thread makes it real. Thank you for your honesty and a different perspective.
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I've always called a spade "a spade", not a "portable long-handled digging implement that is usually used in gardens and is often called a shovel". lol
The reality of the national situation... and the global situation, I'm sure... is that we are in the worst shape (collectively) that we have been in since the Great Depression. Now, don't think I'm crucifying you personally, Nostromo, coz I'm not -- but until all of us understand that what's going on isn't so distant as we like to think it, the necessary changes will not happen.
Most Americans are between one and three paychecks away from my situation - or worse.
We had investments to rip into, or we wouldn't have been able to last the 11 weeks before hubby's unemployment was approved. We rode out 11 weeks with ZERO income, by using up the last penny of our investments.
But that allowed me to get out of/pay off as many financial obligations as we ould... so now we don't owe anything, nothing's past due, and we pay our monthly utilities on time to keep them current.
Most Americans - after being unemployed for 22 weeks - wouldn't be in as good shape as we are!
I'm lucky in that we own our home free and clear - no mortgage. We only must pay property taxes... which is increasingly problematic, too, but it's better than having to pay a whole mortgage, monthly.
We own our own cars (his '91 Nissan Maxima and my antique Oldsmobile) and my Land Cruiser outright. Yes - they're all old, but we don't pay any monthly loan payments.
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Have you tried with the Pharmaceutical Companies to see if you may get a lower price or FREE Prescriptions?....Also in working with people in situations like yours...YES, I work in the field...a contact to Mental Health Services may yield help, because of the suicide threat. Have you already asked for generic types of meds, in order to get reduced price at Walgreens or WalMart ?
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My sister is a pharmacologist, littlestar.
Because I have some Rx coverage via COBRA from hubby's last job, I can't get any further assistance. Sometimes, I just don't have the $20 or $35 copay for a prescription... especially if I need to get 3 or 4 or 5 Rxes for hubby and me.
Neither of us is young, and both of us are not healthy. He's 63, and must have his anti-seizure medication three times daily and must have his blood pressure lowering medication. I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and must have my Tramadol, my Nexium, and both Rozerim and Ambien if I want to mitigate the chronic pain, try to prevent severe reflux disease from becomming espohagus cancer and to prevent recurrance of bleeding stomach and duodenal ulcers, and sleep at least a few hours a week.
I'm out of Tramadol, out of Tisanadine, and wil be out of Rozerim after tomorrow night. Hubby's out of Depakote and out of his Bp med... I can't spell nor pronounce it. lol
Yes, I get generic on all of the above. Even the Depakote, recently... finally. Believe this or not - there is no Walmart anywhere near us. Hard to believe, but true. I live equidistant and close to a Walgreens and a CVS - each is about 10 blocks from my house. Price is the same at either, and I prefer the staff at CVS... but I do check up on prices regularly. Alsoit's better for me to go to CVS as CVS now owns the company that does my Rx insurance.
So far, no one, including my own doctors, has given much concern to whether or not I try to commit suicide again. No one much cares. I'm no just saying that in depression... I'm not actually that depressed right now, despite all of our financial woes. Oddly enough, as our financial troubles got worse, and as the decisions I've had to make get harder and more rotten - I'm feeling better and better - mood wise - than I ever have. Nothing like kicking down into survival mode to remove oneself out of severe chronic clinical depression.
My church has a small food pantry in the basement of the rectory for those in our parish who are needy; I use that, sparingly. I know that there are others in my parish, with children, who are even needier than I.
I already go to a large food pantry once monthly at a large church nearby; I get a week's worth of food, and can only go there once monthly.
I already go to a different food pantry at another local church, also once monthly (their limit) for canned and dry foods, and get abut a week's worth of food there, too.
This ^ covers about half of a month's worth of food for us... not counting cat and dog and turtle foods and meds.
At the large church pantry, this past Monday evening, someone else in line told us about yet another church locally who gives out food, too. We missed their once-a-month day to give out food this month... but we're gonna go there next month.
I believe that I'm doing everything possible. We don't qualify for food stamps, as we own our own home and hubby gets unemployment. We don't qualify for free meds from the county and/or the state, coz we have COBRA - for which we pay.
I have been to Catholic Charities, and been given cash assistance for what wasn't covered via health insurance/COBRA during my last two spine surgeries - one in April, and one in May. I have been given some business suits and clothing, also, at Catholic Charities. A few ladies in my own parish church have also given me some nice clothing. I lost weight and dropped two sizes, and had nothing appropriate to wear. |
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So far, no one, including my own doctors, has given much concern to whether or not I try to commit suicide again. No one much cares. I'm no just saying that in depression... I'm not actually that depressed right now, despite all of our financial woes. |
That too has been my experience. They don't care, except that you pay their bills. All driven by the profit motive.
I'm fighting to get that changed. We need a system that takes care of EVERYONE, irregardless of their financial situation. |
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Stephanie, I think what LS might have been referring to is contacting the actual pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the prescription meds that you and your hubby take. That might be harder, if the meds are generic, so they don't hold a patent.
I know that the makers of Rituxan, will help with costs for those that can't afford the med, or whose insurance won't pay. Maybe the makers of some of your meds might do the same, or possibly might know of some program that would help? Might be worth a shot, anyway.
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That too has been my experience. They don't care, except that you pay their bills. All driven by the profit motive.
I'm fighting to get that changed. We need a system that takes care of EVERYONE, irregardless of their financial situation. |
Yes, but I don't happen to think that fully socialized medicine is the right way.
Socalized medicine doesn't work "right" in countries where it exists now. What will make that different here in the USA? |
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| Cat wrote: | Stephanie, I think what LS might have been referring to is contacting the actual pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the prescription meds that you and your hubby take. That might be harder, if the meds are generic, so they don't hold a patent.
I know that the makers of Rituxan, will help with costs for those that can't afford the med, or whose insurance won't pay. Maybe the makers of some of your meds might do the same, or possibly might know of some program that would help? Might be worth a shot, anyway.
I'm sorry you're in this situation. Been there myself, and it just sucks. |
I'm sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear in my reply to LS.
Because my sister IS a pharmacologist, and has other pharmacological contacts in other pharmaceutical companies besides the one she works for, I have tried that already.
First - since there is a generic for each of our particular meds, no one cares about helping someone like me out. Their attitude is that I can always go to the other comany to beg for my pills; they're not responsible to me for anything. I probably would be better off if there weren't generics for my meds... but then, I wouldn't be able to afford them at all.
Second - there are too many people who can't afford their meds, right now; they can't possibly help everyone, so they help no one. At least, that's what they're telling me.
The upshot is what you said, and I've already said: It sux. |
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| Stephanie wrote: | | Cat wrote: | Stephanie, I think what LS might have been referring to is contacting the actual pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the prescription meds that you and your hubby take. That might be harder, if the meds are generic, so they don't hold a patent.
I know that the makers of Rituxan, will help with costs for those that can't afford the med, or whose insurance won't pay. Maybe the makers of some of your meds might do the same, or possibly might know of some program that would help? Might be worth a shot, anyway.
I'm sorry you're in this situation. Been there myself, and it just sucks. |
I'm sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear in my reply to LS.
Because my sister IS a pharmacologist, and has other pharmacological contacts in other pharmaceutical companies besides the one she works for, I have tried that already.
First - since there is a generic for each of our particular meds, no one cares about helping someone like me out. Their attitude is that I can always go to the other comany to beg for my pills; they're not responsible to me for anything. I probably would be better off if there weren't generics for my meds... but then, I wouldn't be able to afford them at all.
Second - there are too many people who can't afford their meds, right now; they can't possibly help everyone, so they help no one. At least, that's what they're telling me.
The upshot is what you said, and I've already said: It sux. |
Thanks for explaining that.
Damn, it just seems as though there has got to be a way around this. I suppose you have already tried all the patient prescription programs, etc? I have a friend who works with the department of Health and Human Servies in New Jersey, I'd be happy to ask her if she knows of any programs if you'd like. |
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Damn...you're falling right between the cracks , as many of us have....
Well,, the route I had to go for a few elders this month...was to actually call their Drs. and ask for SAMPLE PACKS of the Meds they prescribed...I told them...Either you help me out with this or your patient is going to be unable to take what you have prescribed and they will be worse to handle. I am noting everything I am saying to you, and your response, in their file. Got 3 months of Meds for them.
Cat is right...sometimes, the Pharm. Cos. will give directly to someone when they have a Life Threatening Illness, which you qualify for....and the Dr. will be happy to rewrite the script for Brand name if you were to qualify.
Seems like you are trying everything you can....wait...are there any Native American Clinics near you? By Fed Law they have to lend assistance to EVERYONE.
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| I can not believe how bad things can be in The US, this reads like your a third world country, why is it we in Australia get unemployment bennefits time unlimited, those on pensions or unemployment get free medical and medication for about $5. Our Universal medical leaves the US for dead, its unbelievable things are such as they are in a country that says its the greatest in the world, Maybe its time the US looked out for its own for a while, certainly sounds like many need help, I was staggered by the numbers of beggers in the US when I last visited, and so many looked like proud good people who had fallen on desperate times. I hope things improve real soon. |
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Believe me now?...I've tried to tell you we were a Third World Country...pretending to be Powerful. If we went through all the details of so many peoples lives ...you would just sit with your jaw hanging...truly.
It like I've been alluding to...the GHOST DANCE Time...the time when all the Land will become as the Reservations have been...and many will die...the only other part to that Legacy is that "The People" are supposed to then take over Stewardship....
I hate watching this happen and had hoped I would no longer be walking here when the time came.... now, I find I am brought to tears.... |
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ASB- I think you can understand the frustration I feel then.
I tell people what's really going on, and they scream "Traitor!" and "America- love it or leave it!" at me. They insist that we have the best system in the world, yet in some cases the very screamers don't have any health insurance themselves or they are suffering financially when they shouldn't. They blame immigrants and others (minorities) for our problems- and don't realize that they're foolishly repeating propaganda put out by the very cause of their problems- the American Elites (the VERY rich and Big Business).
I quote or refer to research in peer-reviewed journal articles, and they either denounce the social sciences or claim that it's propaganda- while quoting groups dedicated to preserving the elites in power and who have been PROVED to disseminate false information.
I tell people that America is something like 30th in the world for standard of living, and in some cases "third world" nations do better- and they say I'm lying. They've been so programmed with a knee-jerk reaction against anything that the elites deem socialism (even if it's not) that the slightest mention of things like "living wage" or "universal health care" sets off a loud and sometimes violent rant.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2009 - 06:58 PM
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Location: Lakeland Florida
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Posted: Jun 28, 2009 - 10:19 PM
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| Excuse my ignorance but are you really saying that if you lose your job through no fault of your own, you then lose entitlement to health care? Surely not! Also, don't you get unemployment benefits to obviate the need to eat dog food? Sounds like the Grapes of Wrath! |
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Posted: Jun 28, 2009 - 10:46 PM
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Location: CA
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GC...Firstly, you have to consider if one HAD Health care at their Job in the first place, allot DON'T, but if so...one may get COBRA which extends those benefits for about 6 months...at a VERY HIGH RATE, which many cannot afford. After that runs out...you are SOL.
Unemployment does come in...at usually 1/2, or lower, of what you were making at your job. The rate is based on your wages backdated 1 year from your work release...then divided into quarters and used at higher rate base.
They are making it more difficult to extend those benefits....
If you are elderly , with no Insurance and dependent on MediCare...you're SOL too, as they have cut that coverage way back.
We have been telling you guys the truth....it isn't exaggerated in the least. |
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