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 Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 07:10 AM
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Littlestar, I'm hearing it too- not at school (people are excited and happy there, and express relief), but from people on the streets.
It is so sad... and what I hear is repeat of lies spread about Barack Obama- like the one that he's some sort of closet Muslim (as if being Muslim disqualified one from the White House... HELLO, anyone ever heard of "No religious test for public office!!!" Also, if Obama was Muslim, why did he go to a UCC church for many years, and why does he CONFESS that he's Christian and say things forbidden to Muslims???)
Then those people went off on a rant. (Usually against liberals.) It sounds like the reaction of someone who has been programmed to hate.
I think it comes from decades of brainwashing and propaganda. That somehow liberals are bad and out to take away everyone's rights. That they're out to raise taxes on ordinary people. That things like universal health care and a living wage will cause people's taxes to skyrocket and businesses to fold (I can't use the language on this blog to properly describe that one). I've heard a lot of other lies told about us. The sad thing is that people BELIEVE these falsehoods.
The really troubling part for me is that I've been hearing this from people who claim to be Christian- yet they spread lies and get mad when you prove to them that what they're spreading is a lie. It's getting me to the point where, although I AM CHRISTIAN, I don't want to hear anything about religion.
Especially I don't want to hear it, because some of these people have been advocating the overthrow of the Constitution so as to put their preachers in power (establishing a theocracy).
I slept good for the first time in a while when Obama won- I felt such a sense of deep relief. I've heard that from my friends. Some of the people that I prefer to be around almost RADIATE happiness and joy over the election- and these ones especially say they feel hope for the first time in several years!!!
The way I feel- like I finally see a light at the end of a dark tunnel that I've been tripping and stumbling through for years. Yeah, I made the mistake of getting into the tunnel, back when I was brainwashed. But now I'm not. And I refuse to stay in that "tunnel" any longer than I have to!!!
Hope- it's a beautiful thing!!! We need more of it around this world!!! |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 07:41 AM
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| rdb wrote: | Littlestar, I'm hearing it too- not at school (people are excited and happy there, and express relief), but from people on the streets.
It is so sad... and what I hear is repeat of lies spread about Barack Obama- like the one that he's some sort of closet Muslim (as if being Muslim disqualified one from the White House... HELLO, anyone ever heard of "No religious test for public office!!!" Also, if Obama was Muslim, why did he go to a UCC church for many years, and why does he CONFESS that he's Christian and say things forbidden to Muslims???)
Then those people went off on a rant. (Usually against liberals.) It sounds like the reaction of someone who has been programmed to hate.
I think it comes from decades of brainwashing and propaganda. That somehow liberals are bad and out to take away everyone's rights. That they're out to raise taxes on ordinary people. That things like universal health care and a living wage will cause people's taxes to skyrocket and businesses to fold (I can't use the language on this blog to properly describe that one). I've heard a lot of other lies told about us. The sad thing is that people BELIEVE these falsehoods.
The really troubling part for me is that I've been hearing this from people who claim to be Christian- yet they spread lies and get mad when you prove to them that what they're spreading is a lie. It's getting me to the point where, although I AM CHRISTIAN, I don't want to hear anything about religion.
Especially I don't want to hear it, because some of these people have been advocating the overthrow of the Constitution so as to put their preachers in power (establishing a theocracy).
I slept good for the first time in a while when Obama won- I felt such a sense of deep relief. I've heard that from my friends. Some of the people that I prefer to be around almost RADIATE happiness and joy over the election- and these ones especially say they feel hope for the first time in several years!!!
The way I feel- like I finally see a light at the end of a dark tunnel that I've been tripping and stumbling through for years. Yeah, I made the mistake of getting into the tunnel, back when I was brainwashed. But now I'm not. And I refuse to stay in that "tunnel" any longer than I have to!!!
Hope- it's a beautiful thing!!! We need more of it around this world!!! |
WOW! That was brilliant! Yes, I also feel deep relief and happiness that the world has an inspiring, intelligent, thoughtful leader. Indeed, hope has been a scarce commodity for far too long. If we have no hope, then there can be no future. Only through the potential for improvement can we become energised to change what is wrong. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 09:38 AM
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| rdb wrote: | Littlestar, I'm hearing it too- not at school (people are excited and happy there, and express relief), but from people on the streets.
It is so sad... and what I hear is repeat of lies spread about Barack Obama- like the one that he's some sort of closet Muslim (as if being Muslim disqualified one from the White House... HELLO, anyone ever heard of "No religious test for public office!!!" Also, if Obama was Muslim, why did he go to a UCC church for many years, and why does he CONFESS that he's Christian and say things forbidden to Muslims???)
Then those people went off on a rant. (Usually against liberals.) It sounds like the reaction of someone who has been programmed to hate.
I think it comes from decades of brainwashing and propaganda. That somehow liberals are bad and out to take away everyone's rights. That they're out to raise taxes on ordinary people. That things like universal health care and a living wage will cause people's taxes to skyrocket and businesses to fold (I can't use the language on this blog to properly describe that one). I've heard a lot of other lies told about us. The sad thing is that people BELIEVE these falsehoods.
The really troubling part for me is that I've been hearing this from people who claim to be Christian- yet they spread lies and get mad when you prove to them that what they're spreading is a lie. It's getting me to the point where, although I AM CHRISTIAN, I don't want to hear anything about religion.
Especially I don't want to hear it, because some of these people have been advocating the overthrow of the Constitution so as to put their preachers in power (establishing a theocracy).
I slept good for the first time in a while when Obama won- I felt such a sense of deep relief. I've heard that from my friends. Some of the people that I prefer to be around almost RADIATE happiness and joy over the election- and these ones especially say they feel hope for the first time in several years!!!
The way I feel- like I finally see a light at the end of a dark tunnel that I've been tripping and stumbling through for years. Yeah, I made the mistake of getting into the tunnel, back when I was brainwashed. But now I'm not. And I refuse to stay in that "tunnel" any longer than I have to!!!
Hope- it's a beautiful thing!!! We need more of it around this world!!! |
Very eloquently put, Bob! |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 10:44 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | Purely from a Psychological standpoint....
Do you ALL realise that the problems and paranoia of what has been occuring in our Country...is investing itself within all of YOU and that
you are becoming suspicious and hostile toward each other at a
highly protracted, accelerated rate?
I have been watching it grow...on a fairly level balance for the last month,
but this past week has made a surge apparent....
Anyone else seeing what I'm speaking of ? |
Very accurate, I have been watching this growing since 9/11, the problem is the use of fear is a very powerful tool to use in retaining power when in Government, Bush won by so few votes in 2000 the use of fear was pretty much the only way his Presidency could move into a second term.
The downside of this is paranoia and comments like Morgrams grows. As the power base was threatened this fear factor was ramped up and the resulting paranoia allowed even the most trivial comment to be turned into an attack that appeared credable, ie share the wealth turned into Socialism.
I believe fear should be removed as a legitimate tool in running for office, but this will never happen, its to usefull. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 11:35 AM
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I'm not sure how to react because what I am about to say might be understood in the wrong way.
But I think what Littlestar means is that people seem to be MORE focust on what can go wrong than on what can go right.
Why fight about a fact that can not be changed ?
Why gloat about something you didn't have a vote in ?
Why seek the worsed instead of hoping for the best ?
Why accuse instead of seeking the truth ?
Why preach doom and gloom when optimisme is more fruitfull
No one can forsee the future, all we can do is learn from the past.
Nothing is completely right or wrong...black or white...
TRUST IS WHAT MAKES A NATION.
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 05:01 PM
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| Hey, I`m an optimist! I`m VERY optimistic that by the end of 2009 there are going to be alot of disheartened and disillusioned BUT WISER twenty and thirtysomethings who are going to know that there is more to assessing a political candidate than merely liking his speeches. Unfortunately, the rest of America will have to endure the consequences for their restricted thought processes. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 07:01 PM
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PIPPA Got ME...but then she always does....
Morgram..I'm HERE if you need help...I mean it.... |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 10:15 PM
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Morgram my party the Liberal/National party lost the last Australian election (the Aussie equivelent of the Republicans) but you have to firstly realise parties don't tend to win elections, Governments lose them.
You then need to allow democracy to work, the elected Government has every right to be there and the leaders deserve our respect even if they don't fully get your support
Sewing the seeds of doom and gloom and hatred can only ever lead to negative outcomes. Its also no good for your own health and well being, My recomendation to you is switch off the news, stay out of political forums and go for a nice walk in the country, smell the roses, breath the fresh air and realise the world really is an amazing place even after the election.
Look out for yourself, and chear up, he just might make a difference. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 10:39 PM
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I have my concerns that people are putting Obama on too high of a pedestal. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it. I find it a little ridiculous to expect one person to fix an entire nation's (and to a certain extent, a portion of the world's) problems.
And to that end, I believe that some of the disillusionment Morgram is talking about, will be seen in in the next few years. And with that, many will fall back to kicking America because it makes them feel better.
However, I am pleased that people are so happy over the election. The positive attitude that is circling can do more than Obama is capable of (being only one person himself), if used properly. I'm hoping the inspiration will cause people to get up off their rear-ends and get stuff done. This, I think, is what will change America.
Presidents come and go. Some are for the better, and some are definitely for the worse, but in the end, it will always be the PEOPLE that will make America great. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 11:08 PM
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That the POINT CUZ!!!!!  |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 11:16 PM
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Thought you might be interested in my Sunday paper's analysis of Obama's win:
* The Observer, Sunday November 9 2008
Until the moment victory was declared, the proposition that Barack Hussein Obama would become the 44th President of the United States seemed somehow remote. He was an unlikely candidate, partly because he lacked experience and partly because he spent much of his childhood abroad. But mainly because he is black.
It says much about the virtues of US democracy that Mr Obama could even have been nominated. But it says much more about perceptions of American democracy abroad that so many doubts prevailed for so long about the final outcome.
Opinion polls consistently gave Mr Obama an unassailable lead. The incumbent Republican President's personal ratings were at record lows. On every traditional measure, victory for the Democratic candidate was assured. But the world would not believe it until it saw it.
Contrary to many predictions, race did not dominate the campaign. But it filled the gap between what Americans said they intended to do and what the rest of the world feared they would do. That anxiety played also on the minds of many US citizens. Precisely because every other factor pointed to victory for Mr Obama, defeat would surely have indicated that American democracy had a colour bar. It doesn't.
The joy expressed around the world at the result represents a moment of global realignment with America's own sense of national purpose. For most of its history, the US has perceived itself as a beacon of opportunity and an example to the world. Anti-Americanism, meanwhile, has always drawn strength from the assertion that those ideals are debased by the way the US projects its power abroad and by the fact of its unequal society.
A single election will not heal American social divisions, nor will it stop America pursuing its interests overseas, with military power if necessary. But by choosing as their leader a man whose grandfather was a Kenyan goatherder and who shares a middle name with the grandson of the Prophet Mohamed, Americans have made it harder for their enemies to portray them as a nation of bigots.
They have restored credibility to the American Dream - the promise that anyone, regardless of their background, can fulfil their ambitions by an effort of will. That hope, extended throughout history to people suffering under tyranny, is a surer guarantee of US strategic interests than military hegemony.
Mr Obama will have a difficult enough job serving the broad coalition of Americans who actually voted for him, without trying to honour the title of World President that exuberant global fans have conferred on him. During the campaign, he struck a pragmatic tone on foreign policy, promising cautious engagement with America's enemies. But that aspiration does not in itself close the gap between US strategic goals and those of, for example, Iran, Syria, al-Qaeda, Hamas or the Taliban.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad might have sent a letter congratulating Mr Obama on his election, but that does not make him any readier to abandon plans to develop a nuclear arsenal. On the day after the election, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev announced plans to station missiles on the Baltic coast targeting a planned US defence shield. The Kremlin was not interested in waiting to see what Mr Obama's broad promise of change may mean for relations with Moscow.
But the challenges that lie ahead should not detract from the optimism that is felt in America and around the world at the result of last week's election. Mr Obama has already proved his skill as a diplomat and politician. It is hard to imagine a more gruelling test of character and judgment than the US presidential campaign just passed. The aim of the Republican campaign was to raise questions about Mr Obama's readiness for office. By implication, that was a question about his capacity to serve as a figurehead for ordinary Americans.
The young senator from Illinois once looked like an unconventional candidate. But a majority of US voters decided their choice would not be dictated by conventional thinking. In that respect, they were not defying American tradition, but honouring it, placing their trust in the man who, by hard work and ability, rose from humble birth to the threshold of greatness. They were choosing a President first and foremost to defend their own interests. But it is a truly auspicious moment for global democracy when people around the world can feel confident sharing America's unique national dream. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 11:28 PM
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| It IS very much like HISTORY repeating itself..... |
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| In what way? Isn't this very much a first? |
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| IF I completely ignore the racial aspect....it is a repeat of the Campaign and HOPE associated with LINCOLN...that's all I'm saying.... |
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| littlestar wrote: | | That the POINT CUZ!!!!! |
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| morgram wrote: |
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Unfortunately, the rest of America will have to endure the consequences for their restricted thought processes. |
Erifah? Igor? Is that you?
Need to act quickly to get your American Historical Election 2008 Barack Obama Commemorative Coins for the one time $99.95 special low price. |
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| kstahmer wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
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Unfortunately, the rest of America will have to endure the consequences for their restricted thought processes. |
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Nah... He's no where near as smart as Erifah. |
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| Hey, can we all stop talking abuut politics now? I won`t say another negative thing about Obama until things start going awry 6 to 8 months from now. |
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it doesn't take a psychological genius to predict that people who are happy now won't be happy forever  what you're seeing in the people now paraphrases what Kahlil Gibran said, when there is a deep hole, it can be filled with joy overflowing.
just remember Mr. Morgram, it is your guy bush who concocted this unecessary and vicious war, your guy Bush who drove the USA into the toilet economically, and your guy bush that caused such embarassment to Americans.
If that doesn't completely embarrass you, good for you! Great! But some of us find that reality utterly and unforgiveably contemptable, and an abuse of power. I don't really like leaving this board without responding to your posts in a way that I hope will show the international members that most of us Americans want to be part of an inclusive and intelligent world society and that we do not, did not, share or approve of Bush's politics or behaviors.
President elect Professor Obama is the man! yes he is! yes we can! yes we did! yes we will~! |
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| morgram wrote: | | Hey, can we all stop talking abuut politics now? I won`t say another negative thing about Obama until things start going awry 6 to 8 months from now. |
That sounds like a perfect point to end on.
I am very proud of you guys for arguing the issues instead of attacking the person (well, most of you  ) |
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