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 Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 09:56 AM
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If someone says that America is racist, they aren't referring to the ground, the trees, or the sky. So, the actual comment is; Americans are some of the most racist people on the planet. And I know this to not be true. I don't know, maybe you do have to travel outside the US to see that racism does exist everywhere. The majority of people throughout the world are good, decent people, who love and take care of their family and friends, take care of business, and help others when they can. And then there is the minority of people everywhere who choose to be class A assholes. This is true everywhere, in every corner of the World.
The fact that we do indeed have a candidate that is very likely to be our next president who is of African descent, say a lot. Out of what we refer to as "Western Civilization", look at Australia, Europe, Canada, etc., and tell me how many people of African descent you see as PM or President..... think about it..... Guess we aren't all that racist in the US after all. Of course there are people who will not vote for Obama because they see him as black, and others who will vote for him only because they see him as black. Right or wrong, it's their right to vote as they choose.
But I think a lot of whether or not you feel people are racist is your own perception on what others do and say. When we first went to Australia, we were on a train ride in Northern Queensland. I was dozing, and my husband got to chatting with the people sitting across from us. They had only visited America once, when they took a cruise, and stopped in San Francisco for an hour or two. They decided based on that small experience that they hated all Americans and America. At that point, since I hadn't said anything, they hadn't picked up I was an American. I was pretty disgusted. Over the next few days I forgot the fact that the sun was a lot stronger there then at home. And, I wound up with the worst sunburn I have ever had in my life. You're talking lobster with a skin disease. And I was about to meet my in-laws for the first time in just three days. So, I went to the one and only chemist shop (that's pharmacy to you Yanks) in town, and told the gal behind the counter that I needed something to help with the burn. She laughed, and wagged a finger at me saying that I had been a naive Yank, and hadn't had respect for the strong sun there. Now, based on my prior experience, I could have decided that all, or at least most, Aussies were bigoted against Americans, and stormed out. But darn, I was hurting and I needed something for that burn. So, I laughed with her instead of becoming offended. She then came out from behind the counter, and spent the next 20 minutes helping me go through different products to find something. She was a really great gal, who had just been teasing me a bit. She even let me try out a few things, and I found something that really helped. She was even patient when I counted out the change, and talked about how frustrating it was trying to sort out change you weren't use to. Now if I had stormed out and felt offended, I would have had a very different view of that incident.
Voting in this country is private. There is no reason, unless you choose, that anyone should be aware of how, or for who, you vote. So, if anyone encounters problems, it is because they chose to tell other people their beliefs, and of course, not everyone else will agree.
And I found when visiting other countries that if I had an attitude of expecting to find bigotry, that I would find it. I would read something into everything I heard or saw from others. That doesn't mean that it was really there, but it was my perception based on my own negative feelings.
I usually don't tell people about my ancestors, unless they ask, or we happen to be discussing the subject. Who I am is who I have chosen to make of myself. And, that's pretty much the way the people around me feel. A large portion of my friends have been from other country's, and other backgrounds. I think most of us realize that there is a heck of a lot more to people than their race, gender, or religion. JMO |
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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 02:52 PM
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| Cat wrote: | If someone says that America is racist, they aren't referring to the ground, the trees, or the sky. So, the actual comment is; Americans are some of the most racist people on the planet. And I know this to not be true. I don't know, maybe you do have to travel outside the US to see that racism does exist everywhere. The majority of people throughout the world are good, decent people, who love and take care of their family and friends, take care of business, and help others when they can. And then there is the minority of people everywhere who choose to be class A assholes. This is true everywhere, in every corner of the World.
The fact that we do indeed have a candidate that is very likely to be our next president who is of African descent, say a lot. Out of what we refer to as "Western Civilization", look at Australia, Europe, Canada, etc., and tell me how many people of African descent you see as PM or President..... think about it..... Guess we aren't all that racist in the US after all. Of course there are people who will not vote for Obama because they see him as black, and others who will vote for him only because they see him as black. Right or wrong, it's their right to vote as they choose.
But I think a lot of whether or not you feel people are racist is your own perception on what others do and say. When we first went to Australia, we were on a train ride in Northern Queensland. I was dozing, and my husband got to chatting with the people sitting across from us. They had only visited America once, when they took a cruise, and stopped in San Francisco for an hour or two. They decided based on that small experience that they hated all Americans and America. At that point, since I hadn't said anything, they hadn't picked up I was an American. I was pretty disgusted. Over the next few days I forgot the fact that the sun was a lot stronger there then at home. And, I wound up with the worst sunburn I have ever had in my life. You're talking lobster with a skin disease. And I was about to meet my in-laws for the first time in just three days. So, I went to the one and only chemist shop (that's pharmacy to you Yanks) in town, and told the gal behind the counter that I needed something to help with the burn. She laughed, and wagged a finger at me saying that I had been a naive Yank, and hadn't had respect for the strong sun there. Now, based on my prior experience, I could have decided that all, or at least most, Aussies were bigoted against Americans, and stormed out. But darn, I was hurting and I needed something for that burn. So, I laughed with her instead of becoming offended. She then came out from behind the counter, and spent the next 20 minutes helping me go through different products to find something. She was a really great gal, who had just been teasing me a bit. She even let me try out a few things, and I found something that really helped. She was even patient when I counted out the change, and talked about how frustrating it was trying to sort out change you weren't use to. Now if I had stormed out and felt offended, I would have had a very different view of that incident.
Voting in this country is private. There is no reason, unless you choose, that anyone should be aware of how, or for who, you vote. So, if anyone encounters problems, it is because they chose to tell other people their beliefs, and of course, not everyone else will agree.
And I found when visiting other countries that if I had an attitude of expecting to find bigotry, that I would find it. I would read something into everything I heard or saw from others. That doesn't mean that it was really there, but it was my perception based on my own negative feelings.
I usually don't tell people about my ancestors, unless they ask, or we happen to be discussing the subject. Who I am is who I have chosen to make of myself. And, that's pretty much the way the people around me feel. A large portion of my friends have been from other country's, and other backgrounds. I think most of us realize that there is a heck of a lot more to people than their race, gender, or religion. JMO |
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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 08:14 PM
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I am planning on being at the polls at 6am.
So I guess bringing a "burning cross" for illumination is out of the question?  |
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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 08:38 PM
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Why is Obama looked at as being "Black?"
He is half White as well, isn't He... 
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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 08:53 PM
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When there are stories like this.Makes you wonder....How far have attitudes really changed,in the last 40 years?
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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 09:57 PM
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| windslipper wrote: | Why is Obama looked at as being "Black?"
He is half White as well, isn't He...
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Chris Rock has said, "he's almost black" but that's as close as we've come"
My fear is many will vote on that fact alone and the rest of us will suffer along with them in the following months. |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 - 05:18 AM
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Yep. Anybody who votes for Obama because he's black is voting based on racism.
And that's pathetic. |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 - 05:20 PM
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For me, this election is uggle for many reasons. Here we have 2 Senators who walked away from their jobs in order to raise money. Some of it is tax payer money. Then the debates, which were an insult to everyone's intelligence, not to be outdone by the corny commercials with the trite, phony piano music.
Nothing is being done to curb voter fraud and who really knows how the votes will be tallied once they are uploaded. I can remember in 2004, how ONE voting machine in Philly (Cecil B. Moore Ave.) had 700 votes registered before the polls even opened. Not to mention all the bought electoral votes. Nothing new here, but once again, nothing is being done to stop it.
And we're worried about a couple of dopey, neo-nazi kids, Joe the Plumber, effigies, a couple of kooky reverends and what the T.V. news has to say about the candidates.
How many legit voters are going to cast their vote, knowing so little about politics, the candidates and how our free market system works? |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 - 05:22 PM
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | For me, this election is uggle for many reasons. Here we have 2 Senators who walked away from their jobs in order to raise money. Some of it is tax payer money. Then the debates, which were an insult to everyone's intelligence, not to be outdone by the corny commercials with the trite, phony piano music.
Nothing is being done to curb voter fraud and who really knows how the votes will be tallied once they are uploaded. I can remember in 2004, how ONE voting machine in Philly (Cecil B. Moore Ave.) had 700 votes registered before the polls even opened. Not to mention all the bought electoral votes. Nothing new here, but once again, nothing is being done to stop it.
And we're worried about a couple of dopey, neo-nazi kids, Joe the Plumber, effigies, a couple of kooky reverends and what the T.V. news has to say about the candidates. |
It wouldn't have happened pre-1920s... I know I am talking to the converted. Obama wasn't even broadcasted on TV Land!!! |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 - 06:25 PM
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | For me, this election is uggle for many reasons. Here we have 2 Senators who walked away from their jobs in order to raise money. Some of it is tax payer money. Then the debates, which were an insult to everyone's intelligence, not to be outdone by the corny commercials with the trite, phony piano music.
Nothing is being done to curb voter fraud and who really knows how the votes will be tallied once they are uploaded. I can remember in 2004, how ONE voting machine in Philly (Cecil B. Moore Ave.) had 700 votes registered before the polls even opened. Not to mention all the bought electoral votes. Nothing new here, but once again, nothing is being done to stop it.
And we're worried about a couple of dopey, neo-nazi kids, Joe the Plumber, effigies, a couple of kooky reverends and what the T.V. news has to say about the candidates.
How many legit voters are going to cast their vote, knowing so little about politics, the candidates and how our free market system works? |
What was truly enlightening was a segment from the Stern radio show. I don't listen to him, well, for obvious reasons, but someone sent me a clip from one of his shows.
They sent someone into New York, and asked people who they planned on voting for. They had several people say Obama. They then asked them if they were voting for him because he was pro-life, or the fact that he was against stem cell research. They replied both, because they felt very strongly the same way. And then they were asked if they thought he had made a good choice in picking Sarah Palin, and would she make a good VP. They very enthusiastically said she was great! 
On the flip side, a gentlement who said he was voting for McCain. When asked if it was because he was for stem cell research, the guy replied, yes. And then he was asked if he liked McCain's choice of Joe Biden. The man again said yes.
There are a lot of people who really don't know much about the candidates.....  |
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