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There's a new video from "The Shatner Project" up. Bill discusses with Lisabeth the issues with George Takei and his recent, very public, wedding snub.
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Yep, it would have been a good opportunity to bury the hatchet but Takei seems to harber a grudge over disputes that should have been healed by time.
40 years is a long time to commiserate over who had the spotlight on the bridge.
Afterall, us Trek fans would love to see the whole cast together for a nostalgic view free from past slights whether intentional or not.
| Paul wrote: | There's a new video from "The Shatner Project" up. Bill discusses with Lisabeth the issues with George Takei and his recent, very public, wedding snub.
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| I agree with Deb. 40 years is a long time to stay mad. It seems like it would have been healthier for Takei to simply confront Bill, and tell him why he is upset, and give them a chance to work it out. |
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I thought at the time it was petty of George to make sure the press knew Bill wasn't invited. I mean invite whomever you want and have fun, but who really goes around saying who they DIDN"T invite??? Forty years is indeed a long time to stay mad.
Hey Paul, do you know if that is some of Elizabeth's artwork in the background of that video?
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To be honest, I am not sure that this video was a good idea. I felt very uncomfortable watching it.
As someone wrote on You Tube in response, if Bill only considers Takei a stranger, then why should he be invited to the wedding? Takei seems to have excellent bonds with the other cast members. It appears to me that the issue may stem from Bill's aloofness on set over the years. Of course, I mean no disrespect to Bill, and I may well be wrong. Certainly their relationship is complex.
I think both Takei and Bill would be best suited not to discuss each other at all. Calling Takei psychotic is a bit extreme, and would have got me banned from this board if I had labelled someone here as being such; as it nearly did some years back when I called Chanteyman a psycho. At the same time, Takei's continuing barbs (and he is not alone, because other members of the cast have been equally verbal in their disdain of Bill), do nothing for his own public image.
It must be the silly season! I really hope Bill has more positive things to share with us. It would have been much classier if he had not bothered commenting at all on Takei's "snub". |
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The big difference between Bill and George, along with the other Trek cast members is that Bill moved on to do other projects. It seems as though George and most of the others have gotten stuck in a time warp loop doing Trek conventions and such. I cannot recall any other roles that George has played since Trek.
Life is too short to waste it on folks who spread negativity. Bill has a beautiful wife and family along with plenty of wacky fans who love the different characters he creates. What more could one ask for?
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My personal theory is that George had a bit of a crush on Bill and is still sore over being ignored. He may not even realize at this point why he's so sore at Bill, it's so deep seated.
That, along with thirty-odd years of conventions where everyone's treating him like the real star of the show (it's actually rather shocking when you go through and see just how few episodes he was actually in), and you have the making for at least a major neurosis, maybe worse.
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| Harry_Mudd wrote: | To be honest, I am not sure that this video was a good idea. I felt very uncomfortable watching it.
As someone wrote on You Tube in response, if Bill only considers Takei a stranger, then why should he be invited to the wedding? Takei seems to have excellent bonds with the other cast members. It appears to me that the issue may stem from Bill's aloofness on set over the years. Of course, I mean no disrespect to Bill, and I may well be wrong. Certainly their relationship is complex.
I think both Takei and Bill would be best suited not to discuss each other at all. Calling Takei psychotic is a bit extreme, and would have got me banned from this board if I had labelled someone here as being such; as it nearly did some years back when I called Chanteyman a psycho. At the same time, Takei's continuing barbs (and he is not alone, because other members of the cast have been equally verbal in their disdain of Bill), do nothing for his own public image.
It must be the silly season! I really hope Bill has more positive things to share with us. It would have been much classier if he had not bothered commenting at all on Takei's "snub". |
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Especially for calling Chanteyman a psycho. |
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"As a doctor, you should know the danger of re-opening old wounds"
Kirk to McCoy Star Trek 2.
I don't know why, after all these years these very public "snubs" continue.Why can't people just agree to disagree, and move on,40+ years is a bit extreme.Maybe George ( and other Star Trek cast members) did have cause to resent Bill.Maybe there were some deep seated issues, but that should be ( imo) kept private, and really should have been sorted out by those concerned years ago,after all none of them are getting any younger.
As these digs, and comments just make people on both sides look petty.Better to just ignore a comment than, to lower yourself getting involved in a "tit for tat" war of words.As has been said, it lowers the public/fans respect,and does no good, for the image for the people involved.
George of course has the right to invite (or not) whomsoever he wants, but to make it public about who you didn't ask isn't nice.Better to have just talked about something else.
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I have to say i too felt somewhat uncomfortable watching that video, i agree 40 years is a long time and at this stage it should be forgive and forget, however i dont agree with bill when he calls someone "Sick" and then tells someone to "shut up about it", everyone has opinion and is entitled to express it rightly or wrongly and whether you agree with it or not you should never tell someone to shut up as you are just demeaning that person and his/her point of view
I have enjoyed shatnervision and the shatner project thus far, but this kinda of thing should not be put up or broadcast in any form, its tantamount to a personal attack, i would go so far as to say Bill should really apologise for some of the stuff he said on there
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| Would Bill have gone, to the "wedding" even IF he had been invited?.It would have been a nice gesture on both sides.Hopefully sometime soon someone will offer the olive branch, before it really is too late. |
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In Bill's defense, if someone had held a grudge against me for 40 years, not because I had gotten drunk and run over their child, or shot their dog, but because they felt I had too much camera time (wasn't Bill the star?), I'd be pretty disgusted with them as well.
Time for Takei to spit out those sour grapes and move on. By all means, invite whom you choose to your wedding or other occasion, but to "not invite" someone? That's just plain sad. |
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| BWW wrote: | | In an ideal world these personal problems would be kept quiet, but that isn't what sells books! |
I think you hit the nail on the head. George and some of the others have been living off of the Trek fallout of conventions and Trek related events.
Now that Trek seems to be heading in a whole new direction with the new movie coming out, it stands to leave George and the others behind. Sellling books is a way to hang on; however, throwing jabs at his fellow cast member is not a good idea.
If someone out there actually knows George, here is a suggestion for him. I would bet that if he were to write a book or even produce a documentary about the horrors that Japanese American citizens experienced during WWII, he would find a whole new audience who would benefit from his sharing of his personal story. (And, yes, I know he touches on it in one of his books).
At any rate, how many of us can say that we absolutely get along with every single one of our co-workers? It's not like the tv shows where everyone works together and then goes out and parties and socializes together. For the most part, we go to work, do our jobs, and then go home to the spouse and family.
On a more serious note. The fact that George is vocal about his dislike of Bill, might be annoying but is a good sign. If George had kept very quiet and allowed his feelings to fester, he may have tried to do some real harm to Bill. I just do not want to turn on the six o'clock news and hear about a shoot out between Bill and George.  |
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| SMB wrote: | | BWW wrote: | | In an ideal world these personal problems would be kept quiet, but that isn't what sells books! |
I think you hit the nail on the head. George and some of the others have been living off of the Trek fallout of conventions and Trek related events.
Now that Trek seems to be heading in a whole new direction with the new movie coming out, it stands to leave George and the others behind. Sellling books is a way to hang on; however, throwing jabs at his fellow cast member is not a good idea.
If someone out there actually knows George, here is a suggestion for him. I would bet that if he were to write a book or even produce a documentary about the horrors that Japanese American citizens experienced during WWII, he would find a whole new audience who would benefit from his sharing of his personal story. (And, yes, I know he touches on it in one of his books).
At any rate, how many of us can say that we absolutely get along with every single one of our co-workers? It's not like the tv shows where everyone works together and then goes out and parties and socializes together. For the most part, we go to work, do our jobs, and then go home to the spouse and family.
On a more serious note. The fact that George is vocal about his dislike of Bill, might be annoying but is a good sign. If George had kept very quiet and allowed his feelings to fester, he may have tried to do some real harm to Bill. I just do not want to turn on the six o'clock news and hear about a shoot out between Bill and George. |
Bill should not have made that video. The reaction on other sites has been quite negative. It is unnecessary stoking of flames that really Bill should be well beyond. |
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| Cat wrote: | In Bill's defense, if someone had held a grudge against me for 40 years, not because I had gotten drunk and run over their child, or shot their dog, but because they felt I had too much camera time (wasn't Bill the star?), I'd be pretty disgusted with them as well.
Time for Takei to spit out those sour grapes and move on. By all means, invite whom you choose to your wedding or other occasion, but to "not invite" someone? That's just plain sad. |
I agree with Leonard Nimoy's take on the lingering animosity amongst the second-tier of Star Trek actors (when he talked about it on the Mind Meld DVD).
Somewhere along the way, they overrated their star status in the Star Trek legacy. Sure, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura and Chekov were memorable characters and contributed to the overall flavor of Star Trek....but they were minor characters and nowhere near the importance of Spock, McCoy and Kirk.
As Star Trek's legend grew in the decades after the original series, I think somewhere along the way, those lesser stars got big heads about them, and this resentment toward Shatner is pretty sad.
Considering that their roles weren't ESSENTIAL to ST and merely flavoring, I think George Takei, Walter Koenig, James Doohan and Nichelle Nichols have gained everlasting fame they wouldn't have normally had. In the case of Koenig, he did an absolutely brilliant job on Babylon 5 as Bester, in a role 100x cooler than Chekov. They ought to be content with that and stop being so pathetic in their jealousy of Shatner and Nimoy.
With all that said, it's probably beneath Shatner to even acknowledge Takei and his hissy-fits. Takei has turned himself into a cartoon character. |
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| Harry_Mudd wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | BWW wrote: | | In an ideal world these personal problems would be kept quiet, but that isn't what sells books! |
I think you hit the nail on the head. George and some of the others have been living off of the Trek fallout of conventions and Trek related events.
Now that Trek seems to be heading in a whole new direction with the new movie coming out, it stands to leave George and the others behind. Sellling books is a way to hang on; however, throwing jabs at his fellow cast member is not a good idea.
If someone out there actually knows George, here is a suggestion for him. I would bet that if he were to write a book or even produce a documentary about the horrors that Japanese American citizens experienced during WWII, he would find a whole new audience who would benefit from his sharing of his personal story. (And, yes, I know he touches on it in one of his books).
At any rate, how many of us can say that we absolutely get along with every single one of our co-workers? It's not like the tv shows where everyone works together and then goes out and parties and socializes together. For the most part, we go to work, do our jobs, and then go home to the spouse and family.
On a more serious note. The fact that George is vocal about his dislike of Bill, might be annoying but is a good sign. If George had kept very quiet and allowed his feelings to fester, he may have tried to do some real harm to Bill. I just do not want to turn on the six o'clock news and hear about a shoot out between Bill and George. |
Bill should not have made that video. The reaction on other sites has been quite negative. It is unnecessary stoking of flames that really Bill should be well beyond. |
Who doesn't have a negative reaction when it concerns Bill? Maybe Bill should bow down and accept a kick in the ass? |
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If they carry on at this rate, they will certainly be contenders, for the lead roles,in the next "Grumpy Old Men" movie..lol |
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Hey Paul, do you know if that is some of Elizabeth's artwork in the background of that video?
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What is really sad about this whole thing is that I make it a point NOT to read the rag sheets or to listen to gossip shows. If the video had never been made, I would never have known about George's remarks. I wonder how many others may not have known either. For those who relish in rag sheet gossip mentality are about as unnoteworthy as that Archergirl troll on the TrekSpace.
With that said, one could say that the original cast was rather young at the time of the series and the maturity levels probably varied as well. I suppose egos were running high and showed in personality conflicts. (Even Mr. Nimoy had some negative opinions about Bill during the series, but chose to resolve the issues later on).
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If they carry on at this rate, they will certainly be contenders, for the lead roles,in the next "Grumpy Old Men" movie..lol |
Now that's a funny film..
I saw Mind Meld and I agree with that..The Conventions blew them over and gave them recognition that wouldn't have normally happened with a Series.
Bill has done a fabulous job of creating other roles. I don't recall anything main stream the rest have done.
I wonder...do you think.. there's a comment above, CRA may have a point.
It's probably more to do with envy.
I don't know what's best to do.
I had a stand up argument with someone once, it was awful. But it happened because we didn't understand each others point of view - so I made it my business to find out what I had done to piss some one off so badly they felt the need to yell at me across an office, I was only 3 paces away. They went beetroot, I thought they were going to have a coronery right there! They were also older and more senior to me. I waited until they were on their own and asked them, not an easy thing todo I was terrified - but I had a job to do and I wasn't going to be bullied by anybody. I was lucky I guess it worked and we apologised to each other. We had a much better working relationship after that.
That's the point really - cyberspace is somewhere were people are more likely to say things to each other without taking responsiblity for it. George has made his accusations in books or on the Web but he hasn't told Bill. Didn't I read somewhere that George was a diplomat or something doesn't that mean he's supposed to be a good communicator.
George threw an emotional hand grenade and now he's watching the waves.
George didn't need to say who was or wasn't invited to his wedding that's his business.
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Come on, you guys saying they should be more positive in their remarks on each other?? Who would want to see that? Everyone loves this rivalry whether you want to admit it or not. I hope to hear a video next by George in Response. It might be better for them to be positive but who really wants to see that.
I can see why George hates Bill so much, I read his book. The rest of the cast feels the same except Nimoy. He did some screwed up things to them on the set, but I agree that was 40 years ago. Like Bill said they should let it go by now. I love both Bill Shatner and George takai. Especially on the howard Stern Show. They have their best appearances there in my opinion. Especially Bills trip to the Gay room with Howard. He seems to have a great sense of humor. I also love his arrogance. My favorite part of this video was how Bill acted like Goege was more like an extra on the set. Thats gonna piss Takai off.
I love it all. i hope they keep this fight going forever. As bad as it sounds the negativity is much more fun to watch then the butt kissing stars that will never say anything negative about other actors they work with. To bad Jimmy Doohan is dead. Now he hated Shatner the most out of the bunch.
This video makes me respect Shatner all the more. I'm sure next time George is on Howard Stern he'll have quite allot to say. The best would be if they would both appear on Howard's show together. That would be an appearance to remember. |
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Harry,
We put up this video knowing it was going to cause a stir. And I think everyone involved is expecting that not everyone will like it.
I have to ask, though - why take it down?
I agree it's not the normal "fare" for The Shatner Project but this incarnation is more about Bill sharing his feelings and opinions on things while we go on adventures in his life.
Also it's been 40 years of George spending a portion of his press time taking pot shots at Bill with nothing said by Bill other than a few jokes brushing it off but George still didn't let up.
It's become a sport for the other TOS actors to take pot shots at him for something that happened 40 years ago. Is Bill not allowed to say anything back to them?
Also, Bill didn't use the word "psychotic" he said "psychosis"; a little different meaning.
The video is difficult because it shatters the 4th wall and deals with feelings and emotions and touches a raw nerve that you don't expect to encounter in a Bill Shatner video.
As for the haters on other sites - seems that there's more positive than negative and if we had to tread on trying to please everyone - we wouldn't be producing any videos.
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