 Nerine Shatner Friendly House
This non profit organization is one of the nation's first residential
homes for women recovering from alcohol and substance abuse.
Donate
Here>>>
|
| |
Hollywood
Charity
Horse Show
For the past several years, William Shatner has spearheaded the HCHS
which features some of the best western reining riders in the country
while simultaneously raising money for charity.
Donate
Here>>>
|
| |
William
Shatner also
Supports:
 March
of
Dimes Canada
 The Jewish
National Fund
|
|
|
| Author |
Message |
|
|
Post subject:
 Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 01:18 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Apr 14, 2004
Posts: 11590
|
|
| Something doesn't compute. Your aggressive vegetarianism, assuming everyone is a rabid meat-eater with no evidence to back it up, and the desire to handle weapons of death for whatever purpose. I know I grew up in a very different culture, but handling guns seems to buy into a gun culture and, like soft drugs often lead to harder ones, might easily lead to handling them for other purposes. |
_________________
"It's never too late to be who we might have been" George Elliot
|
| |
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 01:23 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
Posts: 7329
|
|
| greenchick wrote: | | Something doesn't compute. Your aggressive vegetarianism, assuming everyone is a rabid meat-eater with no evidence to back it up, and the desire to handle weapons of death for whatever purpose. I know I grew up in a very different culture, but handling guns seems to buy into a gun culture and, like soft drugs often lead to harder ones, might easily lead to handling them for other purposes. |
Rabid meat eater? No, I just think it's funny that you can accuse me of being ready to "kill", when I don't believe in killing anything.
And, you mean my "aggressive vegetarianism" is akin to your "aggressive stance against guns"? 
I know myself quite well, thank you. Owning a gun for fun and target practise is no more likely to lead me into going on a killing spree than owning a knife to chop food has caused me to go on stabbling sprees.
If you don't own a gun not only because it's not legal, but because you take a stand against it, then you're doing the right thing. But that doesn't mean everyone else will share that view. |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 01:37 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Apr 14, 2004
Posts: 11590
|
|
Course it doesn't and I wouldn't want it to. I don't expect people to agree with me just as you shouldn't expect me to buy into the gun-owning culture.
You have been rather aggressive when you have assumed I eat meat for breakfast lunch and dinner when in fact I eat only fish and very occasionally organic, free-range chicken.
Anyway, I'm off to hit the sack as we're off to London for the weekend tomorrow, yippee! My favourite city on earth! |
_________________
"It's never too late to be who we might have been" George Elliot
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 01:46 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Aug 30, 2005
Posts: 16181
Location: Jaw Jah
|
|
"Aggressive vegetarianism".......LOL
Are you trying to give me a collard green nightmare?  |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Re: What type of gun to buy....
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 02:44 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Feb 04, 2003
Posts: 8930
Location: Planet Earth
|
|
| Cat wrote: | I've never owned a gun, in fact I've never even held one. My dad had a rifle when I was a kid, but it was kept out of reach, and my brother and I weren't allowed to touch it. When we got older, my dad loaned it to a relative, who "forgot" to return it....
I've always wanted to learn to shoot, and plan on taking lessons.
So, can anyone give some advice on a good handgun to purchase? I promise not to shoot any people, well, unless they REALLY piss me off....... and no, I don't promise that my husband will be safe..... |
|
_________________
"OVER 9000"
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 03:02 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
Posts: 7329
|
|
| greenchick wrote: | Course it doesn't and I wouldn't want it to. I don't expect people to agree with me just as you shouldn't expect me to buy into the gun-owning culture.
You have been rather aggressive when you have assumed I eat meat for breakfast lunch and dinner when in fact I eat only fish and very occasionally organic, free-range chicken.
Anyway, I'm off to hit the sack as we're off to London for the weekend tomorrow, yippee! My favourite city on earth! |
Have you noticed that although there are people on this site who hunt, or believe in the rights of NA to tribal hunting grounds, and I assume pretty much everyone on this site eats meat (my husband does, daily), that I haven't tried to "convert" anyone? The only reason I've brought it up to you, is that you slam Palin for hunting, while you, yourself, eat meat. And you assume that because I may buy a gun, that I will sit in my front yard, with my husband (who is obviously also my first cousin), strumming a banjo, and picking off people as they walk by. You are making assumptions and accusations left, right and center. And for heaven's sake, there is no "gun culture", anymore than someone who drinks beer lives in an "alcohol culture". Hey, I accept your right to eat meat if you accept my right to buy a gun.
Have a great time in London. If you take any pics, I'd love to see them. Such a beautiful city, and I don't know that I'll ever to able to make the trip. |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Re: What type of gun to buy....
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 03:03 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
Posts: 7329
|
|
| Debb wrote: |
| Cat wrote: | I've never owned a gun, in fact I've never even held one. My dad had a rifle when I was a kid, but it was kept out of reach, and my brother and I weren't allowed to touch it. When we got older, my dad loaned it to a relative, who "forgot" to return it....
I've always wanted to learn to shoot, and plan on taking lessons.
So, can anyone give some advice on a good handgun to purchase? I promise not to shoot any people, well, unless they REALLY piss me off....... and no, I don't promise that my husband will be safe..... |
|
Why Debb! Are you challenging me to water pistols at 10 paces? I accept! |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 03:05 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
Posts: 7329
|
|
| Gornman wrote: | | Cat wrote: |
As far as why I am looking into buying a gun now? When I was young, very few people we knew had guns, or they had them hidden, so you just didn't think about gun ownership (the kids didn't have guns like they do today). When I was in my 20's, well, I was seldom sober enough to hold one steady...... And when my son was young, I really didn't want to have a gun in the house. I've always wanted to learn to shoot, and just thought now was a good time.
And it's a different world these days. Portland use to have very little crime. Murder was big news, and very rare. Likewise, robbery, muggings, etc. Now, murder is an everyday occurrence. People walking down the street get stabbed and robbed. And home invasions are very common. Again, it's a very different world.
|
So, you are NOT a gun toting/loving nut. You feel the need to
defend yourself and your family.
How about that! |
Well, actually I just needed to have something to do with my right hand, while I was thumping my Bible with my left hand. Now, if I can just learn to strum my banjo with my feet, I'll be set......... |
_________________
Last edited by Cat on Oct 17, 2008 - 03:25 AM; edited 1 time in total
|
| |
|
|
|
|
rdb |
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 03:06 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
Posts: 1746
Location: Lakeland Florida
Status: Offline
|
|
Greenchick, I think you know me well enough that you know I am quite liberal.
Like a lot of people I know, I consider the right to own and bear arms to be a liberal issue. It comes under "freedom of the individual" and our stress on the importance of the individual (as compared to corporations), which are a couple of the foundations of liberal ideology.
As far as having a gun helping me, it's happened several times.
Having a pistol in the car enabled a firefighter to locate us in a national forest (I shot it into a tree, and he heard the shots from over a mile away). Because of that, he and I then were able to use his tools and knock out a forest fire that was still small (and burning through the ground)- in an area and at a time when it would have consumed many thousands of acres if it had gotten loose. They named the fire for us- because we'd found it, alerted them (through our ham radio), helped them to locate us (and then the fire), and then worked with the forest service to put it out. (Sue watched the fire and kept it from spreading when I drove to where the forest ranger could hear the gun and walk in to where I was).
Having a pistol in my hand scared off three real nutcases as well- one was trying to beat down our door because he thought his wife was in our house and something "funny" was going on. The other- he was beating up on his wife/girlfriend/whatever, and when I yelled at him he came at me. I let him see the pistol and he cooled down REAL QUICK. I may have saved the woman's life- and I did keep him from attacking me. The third chased me (for miles) all the way to where I was living at the time, and only backed down when he saw the gun. (He was mad at me because I'd flashed my brights at him- he was driving with his brights on and blinded me on the road). I think there is a fourth time, but can't remember it right now.
Private ownership of a rifle has saved several of our cats lives (I think you know how we love our "babies"). I've been forced to kill 5 dogs in the last 4 years, who were in the midst of attacking our kitties ON OUR OWN PROPERTY (and they weren't just playing- they were trying to KILL). People get this idea that their dog has the same "rights" as a human- including the "right" to go where ever it wants and to do whatever it wants (which people don't have). They think their dogs don't do anything wrong, in spite of multiple complaints and warnings.
I don't like shooting dogs, but burying our "little ones", well, I don't have words for the pain and grief that accompanies that! I'd rather kill a thousand dogs than loose one of our "babies" to their teeth.
So that adds up to at least nine times SO FAR that owning a gun has helped me. Thankfully, with the people just the presence of a firearm stopped them. I must add that I was ready to kill if need be- one of the rules of having a firearm is that you never point it unless you're ready to kill or destroy the thing it's pointed at.
So just from my own life, I can say that gun ownership has been a good thing. |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject: Re: What type of gun to buy....
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 04:13 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Feb 04, 2003
Posts: 8930
Location: Planet Earth
|
|
Cat, be forewarned, I use food colouring.
| Cat wrote: | | Debb wrote: |
| Cat wrote: | I've never owned a gun, in fact I've never even held one. My dad had a rifle when I was a kid, but it was kept out of reach, and my brother and I weren't allowed to touch it. When we got older, my dad loaned it to a relative, who "forgot" to return it....
I've always wanted to learn to shoot, and plan on taking lessons.
So, can anyone give some advice on a good handgun to purchase? I promise not to shoot any people, well, unless they REALLY piss me off....... and no, I don't promise that my husband will be safe..... |
|
Why Debb! Are you challenging me to water pistols at 10 paces? I accept! |
|
_________________
"OVER 9000"
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 07:37 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Posts: 8631
|
|
Alaska's militia prepared and ready for Palin attacks!
 |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 07:43 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Posts: 8631
|
|
 |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
Cuzsis |
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 07:56 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 24, 2002
Posts: 4472
Location: Outer Space ;)
Status: Offline
|
|
| Cat wrote: | Thanks for the suggestions. I'll write down the names and calibers of the guns you guys suggested. I think gun laws are pretty liberal around here, but the one problem I may have is that I will probably buy the gun in Oregon, and I live across the river in Washington. There's a firing range just a few miles from where I live, but again, it's in Oregon. I know someone on the Vancouver Police Force, so I'll call them and ask what the restrictions are, etc.
As far as why I am looking into buying a gun now? When I was young, very few people we knew had guns, or they had them hidden, so you just didn't think about gun ownership (the kids didn't have guns like they do today). When I was in my 20's, well, I was seldom sober enough to hold one steady...... And when my son was young, I really didn't want to have a gun in the house. I've always wanted to learn to shoot, and just thought now was a good time.
And it's a different world these days. Portland use to have very little crime. Murder was big news, and very rare. Likewise, robbery, muggings, etc. Now, murder is an everyday occurrence. People walking down the street get stabbed and robbed. And home invasions are very common. Again, it's a very different world.
I know some people on this site do not understand why guns are legal in the US. Well, there's the whole Constitution thing..... And equally important, is that to make guns illegal, will only take guns out of the hands of people trying to obey the law. We have thousands of miles of unguarded borders with Canada and Mexico, and drugs, guns, and even truckloads of people, are illegally smuggled into this country every day. If guns were illegal, I guarantee I could still buy one illegally very easy. Only people who followed the law would be affected, and gun crimes would not decrease in any way.
And hey, if I could find a car that could shoot laser beams out of the sidewalls, or fire rockets, that would be next on my list......  |
Hubby says to grab a copy of "Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities" by Dave Workman.
Thunder Ranch is world class when it comes to learning anything with firearms. Navy Seals and Delta Force trains there. They're in Oregon. Not sure what your budget is, but they have specifically a course called "Concealed Carry" and all their courses have basic handling, safety and marksmanship. (http://www.thunderranchinc.com/courses.html)
Firearms Academy of Seattle is, ironically enough, located in Vancouver, WA. That might be closer for you! (http://www.firearmsacademy.com/)
Hope this helps you on your search! I know it's hard when you're having to pick it up all by yourself. Also, even your local hunters education courses cover basic firearms (though not pistols usually) and safe handling/shooting. So that's not a bad place to start either, and the cost is usually very inexpensive!
/we live in WA too, so if you have any specific questions let me know! I'll ask around, hubby has a regular BBS he visits that has lots of info too! |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
Cuzsis |
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 08:11 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 24, 2002
Posts: 4472
Location: Outer Space ;)
Status: Offline
|
|
| greenchick wrote: | | Something doesn't compute. Your aggressive vegetarianism, assuming everyone is a rabid meat-eater with no evidence to back it up, and the desire to handle weapons of death for whatever purpose. I know I grew up in a very different culture, but handling guns seems to buy into a gun culture and, like soft drugs often lead to harder ones, might easily lead to handling them for other purposes. |
You really can't compare drugs to guns. As drugs are well, drugs. Chemicals that have a measurable and fairly consistent effect on the brain when taken. Same as when you take medication for something.
Guns are simply objects and should *never* be taken internally. |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 09:09 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Posts: 8631
|
|
| Cuzsis wrote: |
You really can't compare drugs to guns. As drugs are well, drugs. Chemicals that have a measurable and fairly consistent effect on the brain when taken. Same as when you take medication for something.
Guns are simply objects and should *never* be taken internally. |
Depends if you shoot-up or not. |
_________________
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
Johnny_Turbo |
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 02:40 PM
|
|
Member
Joined: Jan 14, 2003
Posts: 8366
Location: Chillville, PA
Status: Offline
|
|
I shoot-up heroin all the time! While firing a shotgun!
Cat, paintball guns are always fun to shoot. You can shoot them practically anywhere and they're cheaper than a real gun...most of the time.
I noticed some of the guns you posted were the small types. If you are going to the range, I'd pick something with a long barrel. They're much more comfortable. Whatever you do, don't go for the gimmicky guns, like the 9mm glock you hear the gangsters brag about. They suck! I shot one of my friend's glock and the damn shell came back and hit me directly on the forehead! "Head-On! Apply directly to the forehead!"
Shotguns are always fun at the range.
Some interesting responses here. With my company, a lot of the sales reps go into these depressed areas of the city and they carry...for a good reason. Let's just say that these places have very thick glass, deal with lots of cash and you need to go through 2 security doors. I'm a nut and I still refuse to carry because I have a death wish. I've had people point guns and knives at my face and chest but I could give less than a f**k and I think that comes across to other people. |
_________________
"The problem with price quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity."--Abraham Lincoln
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 09:41 PM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2005
Posts: 4619
Location: Ottawa, Canada
|
|
| Cat wrote: | 
Now this is what I have in mind....... 
A nice pearl handled Browning. Nice. Oh yeah. |
Ooooooooooooo......... I can smell the gun oil from here. N |
_________________
"Not bad .... for a human"
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
rdb |
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 03:31 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
Posts: 1746
Location: Lakeland Florida
Status: Offline
|
|
That IS pretty!!!
(Me, I've always wanted an M-1 carbine. Don't know why, but I always liked the look of the thing!) |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 09:28 PM
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2005
Posts: 4619
Location: Ottawa, Canada
|
|
| rdb wrote: | That IS pretty!!!
(Me, I've always wanted an M-1 carbine. Don't know why, but I always liked the look of the thing!) |
An elegant weapon in its day. The collapsing stock for paratroopers was the best modification for weight reduction. N
 |
_________________
"Not bad .... for a human"
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 - 11:39 PM
|
|
Member
Joined: May 21, 2003
Posts: 6056
Location: Apple Valley, CA.
|
|
"An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can."
~ Mel Gibson as The Patriot Benjamin Martin
*******************************************
This video gives a short history of 'gun control': (and I found Sigmund Freud's comment, near the end of the video, enlightning!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4 |
_________________
"Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." Sir Winston Churchill
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 12:10 AM
|
|
Member
Joined: Feb 04, 2003
Posts: 8930
Location: Planet Earth
|
|
According to my Dad (who knows this kind of stuff) the correct name for the weapon you refer to is not a gun, but rather a pistol.
Guns are bigger like cannons and rocket launchers. Pistols are handheld.
(Or something or other like that. ) |
_________________
"OVER 9000"
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
FAQ
Search
Register
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
