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Post subject: The Curmudgeons Have Won
 Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 07:00 PM
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University of Idaho cheerleaders will unveil their new, more demure, uniforms at the home football game Saturday against Nevada.
Complaints that the previous uniforms were too short and revealing prompted the change.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/30268584.html
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 08:09 PM
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I would agree- but there is a lot of "Bible-based" groups committing terrorism in this country (along with "animal rights" and "ecological" groups), and they're far more likely to be behind this than any foreign group (assuming that people think Terrorism is always a foreign thing). There are a lot of terrorist attacks that occur in the US that don't make the news- or maybe I should say they're not mentioned because admitting that the US has a terrorism problem itself would be politically harmful to certain interests.
I know of several places where "Bible-based" groups have been able to exert enough pressure to cause companies and others to censure things, especially those that expose those same groups. This is just another example.
As I keep trying to get people to understand- Taliban II is coming, and this time it's wearing a cross!!! |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 08:15 PM
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| rdb wrote: | I would agree- but there is a lot of "Bible-based" groups committing terrorism in this country (along with "animal rights" and "ecological" groups), and they're far more likely to be behind this than any foreign group (assuming that people think Terrorism is always a foreign thing). There are a lot of terrorist attacks that occur in the US that don't make the news- or maybe I should say they're not mentioned because admitting that the US has a terrorism problem itself would be politically harmful to certain interests.
I know of several places where "Bible-based" groups have been able to exert enough pressure to cause companies and others to censure things, especially those that expose those same groups. This is just another example.
As I keep trying to get people to understand- Taliban II is coming, and this time it's wearing a cross!!! |
High time for a restoration of order.....IMPERIOUS REX! |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 08:53 PM
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??? 
More like support the constitution and the principle of the separation of church and state. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 09:55 PM
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rdb I hope you know there is nothing in the Constitution that says there is a separation of Church and State. That was written in a separate letter by Thomas Jefferson to the congress men and was never said in the constitution itself.. The things mentioned in the Constitution was to keep the State OUT of the Church and not the other way around.
And I'm sorry the Church and the cross is not the Taliban II. If there are problems in the church right now it's only a few congregations that are causing problems but most people in the Churches do have a right to practice thier rights and beliefs just like every one else in this country whether we like it or not.
As a Bible base believer I don't watch half the things on the TV any more just because of the immorallty, lying and sexual content (BL included) in them. People use God's name in vain and as a profanity every time I go down the street and go into a store...But i have to bite my lip and not say anything for fear of getting my head ripped off. We need more decency and morality in the way we live and not just wink at sin and t urn our heads and just move along...If we don't say anything or do anything I don't want to hear about people killing other people and people complaining about the violence. If all our society is filled with is violence then it will be violent...Garbage in...garbage comes out!!
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 11:21 PM
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| Not too sure I understand this thread! I never thought I'd see the day where Gornie called Christian fundamentalists terrorists.... |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 11:25 PM
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Why cant they have Cheerlizards? 
And Bob, darling. I too, am a Bible believing person and think that sometimes young ladies need to take a bit more pride in their appearance and in their virtue (if any exists at all now-a-days).
It is not so much the outfits, it is the attitudes that they sometimes invoke, both in the wearer and in the viewer. 
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 11:33 PM
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I was making, (trying to) make a pun where they are
making the cheerleaders wear more dress
You can insert (communists, asshats, etc....)
I enjoy my Saturday afternoon cheerleaders 
I hear there is also some sort of sporting event
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 11:33 PM
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From what i can see on those young ladies in that picture up there I can see why people are complaining...the roll of the cheer leaders is to cheer the teams on to win...not have a semi porn show in short short short uniforms. 
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 12:23 AM
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| Personally, I'm for outlawing cheerleaders all together. Not just their hooker-outfits. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 12:32 AM
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Well, who sets societal standards?
I know that there are a lot of decent Christians who usually don't believe in forcing their views on others (I'm married to one). I am a Christian as well (and consider forcing one's views on others to be evil).
The problem is, there are decent Christians, and there are a LOT of people who claim Christ, but who want to force their standards on others. Years ago I attended a church (belonging to a big-name denomination) where one big argument was if it was "decent" for a girl to even GO SWIMMING. Not what she was wearing, but just SWIMMING (in mixed company, mind- if it was girls only, they thought it to be different). Other arguments- if any dancing was ok, or if it all is SIN. Drinking? SIN. Watching movies or TV? SIN. Reading anything that wasn't related to the Bible? (Some argument there, but the general idea was SIN!)
In other words, just about anything that wasn't work-related or church-related was sin. Even some work-related things were considered unacceptable.
There is a significant portion of American "Christianity" who follow either the New Apostolic Reformation or Christian Reconstructionism (or one of a few other variations of what is known as Christian Dominionism)- which call for the overthrow of the US government and the establishment of a theocracy (with their preachers at the top). They follow this sort of ideology- anything not specifically approved by the church leadership was forbidden (SIN) and should be banned. THEY chose what is sin and what isn't (and claim that it comes from the Bible). I won't get into what they advocate for people who don't agree with them- except to say it isn't pretty. I might also add that Theologians and experts on Biblical language and the Bible all disagree with many of their ideas about what sin is and isn't.
These dominionists are the "Taliban II"- and their beliefs and goals DO match the Taliban, except that the religion is different.
Here's an interesting tidbit- during the Martin Luther era, there was a meeting of the Protestant leaders. Attending this conference was a group of what are called today "Anabaptists". In almost all ways Martin Luthor and the other reformers agreed with the Anabaptists. The only difference was that they said that to force another to convert was a sin.
Martin Luthor and the others started a pogrom against them for that one difference.
I'm not Anabaptist, but I agree- forcing one's views on another is sin.
One other interesting point- although the ACLU has been derided in many churches as the "Anti-Christian Liberals Union"- approximately 1/3 of the cases they take involve DEFENDING CHRISTIANS against abuse. Many of the rest are when putative Christians are trying to force their religion on others. Jews, Muslims, Wiccans, even devil worshippers have freedom of religion in this country. It's not up to others to say to a group "we don't agree with you so you have no right to exist!"
There are a lot of tall tales about Christians being abused- but most of them are pure BS *sometimes with a grain of truth, but distorted to make the "Christians" look like the victim when they were the perpetrator!* If you want the real cases- go to the ACLU. Like I said, they step in to defend Christians as quickly as they defend anyone else.
That is why the separation of church and state is so important (and that is a principle that the ACLU strongly defends, along with the other guaranteed freedoms). I don't think people here would want a specific denominational viewpoint forced on them by the government (think of a denomination that you disagree with and put it in place of "denominational")- so it is with others about your denomination (and my beliefs as well).
As far as the cheerleaders- whatever floats their boat. If they choose to wear a really skimpy outfit, their choice. If they want to cover up, again their choice. They would be foolish to choose to violate the standards of society- and at the same time, how far do those standards go? Where every inch of skin (including face) is covered? Total nudity? Where is balance??? What about common sense (comfort and safety) and appearance?
By the way- yes, I know the history of the Principle of separation of Church and State- very well. I also know the Bill of Rights states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". I think that sums it up pretty well. |
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 - 03:52 PM
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| Demure Cheerleaders? That's positively un-American. |
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 - 04:39 PM
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| ChuckD wrote: | | Demure Cheerleaders? That's positively un-American. |
I personally think that cheerleaders, like models, force an unhealthy body standard on young girls, leading to more cases of anorexia, bulimia, etc. That's why we should do away with them all together. Forget the moral issues of them looking like prositutes. How about the little girls who see their fathers and brothers drooling over these girls and then deciding that they're too fat and throwing up their dinner to lose weight? |
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 - 05:54 PM
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| Jami, you've brought up a very valid point- and while it's a much bigger problem with models than cheerleaders (who need to be strong, tough, and HEALTHY- people don't realize how strenuous and demanding that is {never was involved, but have talked to people who were cheerleaders}), it still is a society-wide issue. |
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