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Post subject: Here is a question to ponder.
 Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 08:56 PM
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What is it about one race of human beings that gives them the audacity to refer to another race of human beings as being inferior or sub-human?
What makes one culture and way of life better than another?
OK, So that is two questions. Sue me!  |
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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 09:48 PM
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I don't know,why some people would feel superior,but from now on, you must call me SIR Sidney Ruffdiamond, but don't disturb me with i'm having Tiffin. |
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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 10:15 PM
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Mankind was Born with an EGO Problem....  |
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Post subject: Re: Here is a question to ponder.
Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 10:47 PM
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| SMB wrote: | What is it about one race of human beings that gives them the audacity to refer to another race of human beings as being inferior or sub-human?
What makes one culture and way of life better than another?
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Ignorance on the part of those that hold such beliefs.
Then again, I'm Irish, and we all know that Irishmen are the race closest to God...(j/k, j/k, don't throw tomatos!) 
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Post subject: Re: Here is a question to ponder.
Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 10:49 PM
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| CaptJTK wrote: | | SMB wrote: | What is it about one race of human beings that gives them the audacity to refer to another race of human beings as being inferior or sub-human?
What makes one culture and way of life better than another?
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Ignorance on the part of those that hold such beliefs.
Then again, I'm Irish, and we all know that Irishmen are the race closest to God...(j/k, j/k, don't throw tomatos!)
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Awe now! We all know that "red" is God's favorite color.  |
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Post subject: Re: Here is a question to ponder.
Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 11:56 PM
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To answer your first question, I don't believe its audacity but rather ignorance that gives some people the feeling that they are superior.
To answer your second question, there are definitely some cultures that foster a higher standard of living than others. That may not necessarily translate to wealthier but definitely, compassion, education, health and well being of their citizens come into play.
i.e. cultures that suppress the rights of one individual over an other.
women, children, gays, and people with handicaps can all attest to which culture can give them equal rights and which ones don't.
Someone sent me this recently which I thought would answer the question better than me.
http://www.historiadeunletrero.com/
| SMB wrote: | What is it about one race of human beings that gives them the audacity to refer to another race of human beings as being inferior or sub-human?
What makes one culture and way of life better than another?
OK, So that is two questions. Sue me! |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 12:07 AM
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I suppose a good measure of one culture over an other is to look at immigration patterns.
Where people can, they will seek a better life. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 12:18 AM
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I think governments have had to inculcate a feeling of superiority over some groups of people so that they could be exploited. Goes back to slavery. Black people had to be seen as not quite the same as whites so they could be bought and sold with impunity.
Similarly, if we really, really deep down believed that Iraqi mothers mourned their children like we do, could we ever have sanctioned a war in which dead children were not even counted? |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 12:30 AM
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Both questions are about perception, interpretation of that perception, and the herd mentality. We are unique upon ourselves and we see the world through our own eyes. We react upon what we know and feel and are more comfortable with things that are familiar to us. Sometimes, we are even more comfortable following than leading. The leaders amongst us knows this and will try to hand their perception down to us and use any means necessary, mostly fear and guilt in many forms, to make sure that message is accepted and acted upon.
I mean why else would people follow other people to their death or turn a blind eye when their own child is being abused and then get angry when that child is taken away by other people who are only trying to protect them. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 05:58 AM
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This a an excerpt from a paper I wrote for one of my sociology classes. It is taken from a review of a project conducted with the Mayan and Ladino people of Guatemala. I won't bore you with the statistical data and tables, but if you would like to read the paper in its entirety, I have posted it on my own website at: http://sueb.proboards22.com/index.cgi?a ... amp;page=1
I should also point out that most of the research came from peer reviewed journal articles and from well documented sources. My paper was also peer reviewed.
Don't be startled if you choose to go there. It is my little corner in cyber-space.
Here is part of the paper:
Guatemala: Mayan and Ladino Farming Techniques Project
Introduction
With the ever increasingly fast pace of globalization which seems to be sweeping over the globe like a giant catch-net, it is becoming critical for people to make the effort to learn about those people living around them. The basic social institutions are being strained to the bursting point. The image of family has changed radically over the years. Religion of all kinds has been either fervently embraced by faithful believers or totally abandoned by those seeking more modern remedies to their inner conflicts. Governments of nations can no longer afford to be so isolated that they disregard the governments of other nations. Educational leaders are scrambling to meet the needs of students who represent many cultures, languages, and beliefs. With the many new innovative technological breakthroughs, the distinctions between the very poor and the very rich are more profound which is affecting the economics of our post-modern society. Although change is an inevitable part of life, for some groups of people it is especially difficult.
For indigenous peoples everywhere it seems the story is the same. They lived for many years in a well-established tribal/metropolitan social structure. In some areas, the commerce between the different tribes was as vast and widespread as any trading practices of the Europeans. When outsiders came, the native people, as a rule, were exploited to the point of devastation, leaving them fragmented and destitute. Even with the best of intentions, the introduction of new inventions and traits caused a cascade of events that forever changed the lives of both groups. (Burt & Ferguson, 1973; Horton & Hunt,1976).
Every citizen owes it to the indigenous people of their particular country to find ways to stop exploiting them and to see them as valuable human beings with much to teach the world about providing the basic needs of food, water, clothing, and shelter in such a way that no one in the world need go hungry. The people of Guatemala are the focus for this agricultural project.
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“World system” is defined as, “economic and political connections that tie the world’s countries together” (Henslin, 244). According to Immanuel Wallerstein, there are, “four groups of interconnected nations” (244).
1. Core nations of Britain, France, Holland, Germany, expanded to include: Canada, the United States, and Japan.
2. Semperiphery nations located around the mediteranian.
3. Periphery nations of the eastern European countries.
4. External nations of Africa and Asia.
“Capitalist world economy” is defined as: “the dominance of capitalism in the world along with the international interdependence that capitalism has created….This economy is so all-encompassing that today even the nations in the external area are being drawn into its commercial web” Henslin, 244).
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For a list of my sources, please see the full article on my website. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 01:30 PM
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Okay, this is just my own weird take on life, which no one else will probably agree with....... but I'm good with that.......
I think most humans suffer from an immense inferiority complex. The majority tend to spend their entire lives trying in some small way to prove that they are worthy of life, of the love of God, etc. Most never find any kind of contentment or peace within themselves, so they continue to claw and grab for what they feel will define them.
Sadly, from kindergarten on, a lot of people find their own brand of worth from trying to appear better than someone else. Their own insecurities say that the only way they, or their ideals, can be proven to be "right" or acceptable, is if everyone else shares them, and is therefore the same. They are too small minded and insecure within themselves to see that differences can be a positive aspect. So, if someone else is different, or thinks differently, that must be bad; we can't both be right, and I can't accept that I might be wrong, so they must be wrong. And just to prove that, I will assert my own beliefs, even if it means harming someone else.
Again, just my basically bizarre spin on things. After all ~ it's good to be different.......  |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 02:09 PM
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I think most humans suffer from an immense inferiority complex. The majority tend to spend their entire lives trying in some small way to prove that they are worthy of life, of the love of God, etc. Most never find any kind of contentment or peace within themselves, so they continue to claw and grab for what they feel will define them.
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Yo! Here's a good specimen of your theory right here! Unfortunately this happens to consume me most of the time and your idea isn't totally out in left field. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 04:26 PM
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| Cat wrote: | Okay, this is just my own weird take on life, which no one else will probably agree with....... but I'm good with that.......
I think most humans suffer from an immense inferiority complex. The majority tend to spend their entire lives trying in some small way to prove that they are worthy of life, of the love of God, etc. Most never find any kind of contentment or peace within themselves, so they continue to claw and grab for what they feel will define them.
Sadly, from kindergarten on, a lot of people find their own brand of worth from trying to appear better than someone else. Their own insecurities say that the only way they, or their ideals, can be proven to be "right" or acceptable, is if everyone else shares them, and is therefore the same. They are too small minded and insecure within themselves to see that differences can be a positive aspect. So, if someone else is different, or thinks differently, that must be bad; we can't both be right, and I can't accept that I might be wrong, so they must be wrong. And just to prove that, I will assert my own beliefs, even if it means harming someone else.
Again, just my basically bizarre spin on things. After all ~ it's good to be different....... |
Not weird at all. Thank you for sharing. I am glad that we are finally getting some intelligent discussions going in these forums. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 - 06:01 PM
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Cat, that is VERY accurate IMO. And I see that it applies to Nations as well as individuals.
I might add to that the fact that some people think they're better and more deserving than others- and that thinking doesn't necessarily stem from an inferiority complex. They may have even been taught that by their parents. |
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