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Post subject: Yikes Greenchick
 Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 03:49 AM
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 04:56 AM
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I read that earlier today and almost posted it, but didn't.
I see no way this will end well.
The Brits have bent over backwards<insert funny image here>
to accommodate the Muslims, but this isn't wise.
You can't change the laws of your country to accommodate.
You can't have two different laws, and they won't be parallel laws.
Whatever the UK equivalent to the US Supreme Court is,
it's going to be very busy. |
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 05:52 AM
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| Yes, I see and understand, it is not a good thing...but, it can also happen in our country and as some of you may already know, there are attempts being made here and 'accommodated' along that same road too. |
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 08:17 AM
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These are tribunal which have existed for Jewish people for some time, in fact here is an article about it from the Jewish Times
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/110382.html
It's not going to replace English law any time soon and it's certainly not going to be allowed to enact some of the more drastic edicts. |
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 07:51 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | | It's not going to replace English law any time soon and it's certainly not going to be allowed to enact some of the more drastic edicts. |
Why not? Wouldn't that be fun? Let's be open-minded and worldly! This is just the first step. Hopefully, we'll see it grow and prosper!! Take over that draconian system! Hooray for sharia law! YAHOO!
Just think about how your image would be improved with respect to the rest of the world's muslim countries! If people in England can ask the yanks to vote for O'Bama, then we can ask the Brits to enact more and more of the sharia laws. |
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 11:11 PM
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| I wouldn't be too quick to heap opprobrium upon sharia law yourselves. You after all, enact all sorts of atrocities upon prisoners and those condemned to death under your barbaric system! |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 02:38 AM
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Hmmm. Sharia courts in Britain. Parallel jurisprudence.
It might not be such a problem, if the Sharia courts are not made up of hardline fundamentalists, and as long as that law cannot be applied to any non-Muslim. However, I'm not aware of anything like that since before the Medieval period (and I've only read of it happening in Muslim countries in pre-Crusades time. The sources- may or may not be reliable, but it does jive with what I've read elsewhere).
I also would say that there are people in this country who are trying to get their own version of Sharia law enacted- and they want it forced upon others. These people are called Dominionists- and some of them make the Taliban look kind, easygoing, and forgiving.
The Dominionists are a form of extreme fundamentalist Christianity- they are powerful, politically active, and scary. |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 08:20 AM
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| It wouldn't apply to any non-Muslim because both sides have got to agree to accept the tribunal and its findings. |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 02:20 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | | I wouldn't be too quick to heap opprobrium upon sharia law yourselves. You after all, enact all sorts of atrocities upon prisoners and those condemned to death under your barbaric system! |
Nah, don't heap opprobrium! Embrace it! Let's see...Muslims have fought Christians...Jews...and other Muslims. No cause for concern. And as far as prisoners in the U.S., let's see. We have Camp Hill State Prison here. Free representation, 3 squares a day, T.V., movies, weights, basketball courts, a library, work release. Such atrocitites and how barbaric! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Keep worrying about Sarah Palin's kids! HA! HA! HA! |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 02:23 PM
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| rdb wrote: |
These people are called Dominionists- and some of them make the Taliban look kind, easygoing, and forgiving.
The Dominionists are a form of extreme fundamentalist Christianity- they are powerful, politically active, and scary. |
Never heard of 'em. What kind of laws have they written into our system? |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 02:45 PM
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Location: standing here shaking my head in disbelief....
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I would think it would get very confusing, deciding who has jurisdiction of what.
I would think that one set of laws that applies to everyone would make a lot more sense and be more just.
Oh, and we're not quite that barbaric, Sue. They just put in a huge basketball court for those in temporary jail cells in the city I live in.  Of course it's tough to fit in a game between seeing your fully funded lawyers, eating your well prepared meals, watching TV, working out with the provided fitness equipment, reading in the provided library facilites, learning a trade if you want, and assorted other activites. Yeah, they have it pretty damn hard........  |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 05:55 PM
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Location: I destroy my enemy when I make him my friend.--Abraham Lincoln
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| Cat wrote: | I would think it would get very confusing, deciding who has jurisdiction of what.
I would think that one set of laws that applies to everyone would make a lot more sense and be more just.
Oh, and we're not quite that barbaric, Sue. They just put in a huge basketball court for those in temporary jail cells in the city I live in. Of course it's tough to fit in a game between seeing your fully funded lawyers, eating your well prepared meals, watching TV, working out with the provided fitness equipment, reading in the provided library facilites, learning a trade if you want, and assorted other activites. Yeah, they have it pretty damn hard........ |
Yep! I have actually known some people to delibrately commit a crime and get thrown into prison because it was the only way, they could afford to learn a trade. Sad mind-set, but true. |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 06:11 PM
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JT- Well, the laws they're pushing FOR aren't on the books yet, and some that made the books in the past have been removed.
Let's see- government financial support of a specific religious group (in this case, Dobson's Focus on the Family) in Florida, forced financial support of religious schools who teach a specific denominational viewpoint, banning of gays and outlawing of gay marriages (most states still have this law, and they're pushing to make gay relationships even more unlawful), trying to outlaw the teaching of evolution in the science classroom (evolution is FACT), I could go on and on. There is even an attempt going on to (in the law) declare the Bible to be the foundation for American society and law- something NOT true.
In some of the more extreme versions, their STATED, WRITTEN goal is to overthrow the constitution and replacement of it with a theocracy. Once that happens, the law will be replaced with their interpretation of Old Testament law. This "branch", by the way, is significant- it makes up a large proportion of dominionism in general. Since I walked away from one of their churches decades ago, my life is forfeit- I am considered an apostate and the punishment for apostasy is death. (They do say they will send walkaways- people who joined and then left their church- to re-education camps. Those who don't repent die!)
I know this sounds a bit crazy, but it is well documented, and there are literally tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people like myself who have experienced these groups firsthand. There are websites and blogs with solid documentation available- I would share a link to one of the best, but I don't know how kosher that would be on this blog.
I'd share some of my own experiences sometime, but I wouldn't want to make everyone depressed and bored. |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 06:12 PM
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Don't forget the FREE Education and Job Placement....
Why some..are you ready?....even became.....LAWYERS  |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 06:22 PM
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Oh, yes... this year, there was a major attempt to amend the Florida constitution- TO DO AWAY WITH SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE in Florida. The courts tossed that out as a violation of the US constitution- and the members of the "denomination" I walked away from are screaming "Evil activist liberal judges!!!"
I might add that I've had a couple of those people advocate banning our religion/religious practices- once they learned that Native Americans (beyond the Seminole) still existed in Florida as well as the entire southeastern US, and that many of us practice our traditions (to the best of our ability). |
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