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 Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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Yes, the lions and tigers can be a problem and not to mention the bears, oh my! For the most part we do very well against prejudice.  |
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Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:33 PM
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| AquinasWI wrote: |
Christianity make have its extremes like any faith, but Islam seems to take the gold medal in having the most whackos on the extreme end.
I don't particularly dig these "criticisms" of my faith, but I'm not about to go violent about it. I'm used to it. It's fashionable to bash Christianity, and Christians by and large can take it. |
Very well put indeed.
Let us not forget however that before we became more civilized even Christians went through some seriously extremist events...
Does everybody remember learning about the Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades?
On a side note... Does anyone know for sure that Jesus didn't have an appendage that size? no. If we call this piece of art into question, don't we also have to call into question every piece of art where Jesus is depicted as a Caucasian male since the people in the area where Jesus was born into were noticeably not Caucasian? |
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Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 01:59 PM
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| SMB wrote: | | BWW wrote: | | AquinasWI wrote: |
Christianity make have its extremes like any faith, but Islam seems to take the gold medal in having the most whackos on the extreme end.
I don't particularly dig these "criticisms" of my faith, but I'm not about to go violent about it. I'm used to it. It's fashionable to bash Christianity, and Christians by and large can take it. |
Very well put. |
We just get a bit nervouse around lions and tigers.   |
And bears? Oh my  |
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Posted: Sep 04, 2008 - 02:01 PM
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| BWW wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | BWW wrote: | | AquinasWI wrote: |
Christianity make have its extremes like any faith, but Islam seems to take the gold medal in having the most whackos on the extreme end.
I don't particularly dig these "criticisms" of my faith, but I'm not about to go violent about it. I'm used to it. It's fashionable to bash Christianity, and Christians by and large can take it. |
Very well put. |
We just get a bit nervouse around lions and tigers. |
And bears? Oh my |
"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto." |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 04:12 PM
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Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 04:41 PM
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| Seamus wrote: | | AquinasWI wrote: |
Christianity make have its extremes like any faith, but Islam seems to take the gold medal in having the most whackos on the extreme end.
I don't particularly dig these "criticisms" of my faith, but I'm not about to go violent about it. I'm used to it. It's fashionable to bash Christianity, and Christians by and large can take it. |
Very well put indeed.
Let us not forget however that before we became more civilized even Christians went through some seriously extremist events...
Does everybody remember learning about the Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades?
On a side note... Does anyone know for sure that Jesus didn't have an appendage that size? no. If we call this piece of art into question, don't we also have to call into question every piece of art where Jesus is depicted as a Caucasian male since the people in the area where Jesus was born into were noticeably not Caucasian? |
Here is a rendering made by a team of scientists using an ancient Israeli skull and modern forensic type methods.
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Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 05:07 PM
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In many ways I think that the Spanish Inquisition was more damaging than Hitler. Some may argue that with me, but think about it. People were forced to convert or die, children were stolen from their homes and taken to be raised elsewhere and forced into a belief system that was not theirs. In fact, their true identity and heritage were stolen from them.
I cannot help but wonder how many people are living amongst us now who are decendents of those people. In many ways, the damage that was done to their ancestors those many years ago continues to this day.
I somehow do not believe that is what Jesus had in mind. Unfortunately, some governmental leaders of the time saw an opportunity to use his basic teachings for political gain, rather than to make the necessary internal changes that could stop the hatred and bring about peace.
That is why, in my opinion, you see paintings (some famous) of Jesus and his followers who suspiciously resemble the members of the reigning royal families of the time they were painted.
Side note: If I had posted this on some of the religious sites I visit now and then, I would be sent packing because many folks are so hard nosed and set in their ways that any deviation from their views is considered unexceptable and heretical. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I just posted, but I am glad that we can discuss this here. That is what I like about this BBS. I hope we never change. I appreciate the diversity. It keeps me from becoming too lop-sided in my beliefs. |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2008 - 07:27 PM
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WOW..The Church of Rome, being as misogynic as it is, certainly turned
the visage of Jesus into a Pretty Boy...
just like they changed the ancient writings...
I do NOT consider it a slap at Christianity to tell someone
not to proselytize to me.... |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2008 - 12:22 PM
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Posted: Sep 08, 2008 - 03:15 PM
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I saw the photograph of that "art"- and to me it just looked like a bunch of misshaped piles of clay, that for the most part didn't look like any sort of art. My gut reaction was that kindergartners could do better "art"- and I'd probably find it more attractive.
I've heard that some art teachers consider art to be anything that causes an emotional reaction in people. I don't agree with them- if it causes me to feel disgust or nausea, then it's not art.
There's another aspect to this controversy that also bothers me. Considering that I've talked with gay Christians over the past couple of years at great length, I think that quite a few of them might find the "artwork" disturbing- overly sex-focused and possibly offensive (IF they could make out the human figures). I think that things like this set off the false stereotype about gay people- that they're hedonistic and only focused on sex. Based upon my gay friends I can safely say that nothing could be further from the truth. |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2008 - 03:41 PM
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I didn't find the first group offensive, just badly done.
But, that latest one I actually do find offensive. And it says the artist also has done Mickey Mouse and ET with, er, stiffy's? I can't decide if that artist needs a therapist, or a good swift kick in the ass. I'm thinking the latter.
And I agree with Bob, it's got nothing to do with being gay, it's got everything to do with poor judgement. If Koh really likes to represent important "people" in his life in this fashion, can we assume we will soon see him mom and grandma the same way?  |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2008 - 12:08 AM
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MOM and GRANDMA...with a "STIFFY"...OH MY !!!!!  |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2008 - 12:13 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | | MOM and GRANDMA...with a "STIFFY"...OH MY !!!!! |
I don't know if that is any worse than picturing Mickey Mouse with "an aroused member". Yikes! Imagine Disneyland handing out "Mouse members" to the kids instead of the Mickey ears. And what grandparents wouldn't want to see their little grandkids in pics standing next to an aroused Mickey in front of Cinderellas Castle!  |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2008 - 12:29 AM
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A sometimes marvel at the efforts of those
trying to conjure a physical description of Jesus.
Have they read the book?
The absence of a physical description in the Bible
screams volumes. Why?
Because it doesn't matter.
The only physical description I know of is in Isaiah 53
and that is more prophecy than description |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2008 - 01:12 AM
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| Gornman wrote: | A sometimes marvel at the efforts of those
trying to conjure a physical description of Jesus.
Have they read the book?
The absence of a physical description in the Bible
screams volumes. Why?
Because it doesn't matter.
The only physical description I know of is in Isaiah 53
and that is more prophecy than description |
I wish more people thought like you about this. I've heard people many times insisting that Teyose (aka Jesus) was a fair-skinned Northern-European looking person... and condemning anyone who didn't agree.
They tend to pitch fits at any picture that has Him looking like an African-American or Native American- and often start getting very racist. |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2008 - 01:15 AM
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| Gornman wrote: | A sometimes marvel at the efforts of those
trying to conjure a physical description of Jesus.
Have they read the book?
The absence of a physical description in the Bible
screams volumes. Why?
Because it doesn't matter.
The only physical description I know of is in Isaiah 53
and that is more prophecy than description |
There is another description in Revelation 1:14:
| Quote: | | His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. |
But you are right. If we who believe and strive to live the Christian life were to treat each person the same way we would treat Jesus if it were Him, we might see some major changes taking place.
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Matthew 25:40
Being a Christian isn't as easy as it looks, and boy do we make mistakes! |
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