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 Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 01:18 AM
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| What is sad about abused girls is that it is very hard to reverse the emotional damage. When an abused girl is brought to a treatment facility, it is often very difficult for a male counselor/therapist to make any progress because in the young girl's mind, she doesn't see him as someone trying to help her, but rather, she sees him as "just another man to take on." |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 02:19 PM
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| CaptJTK wrote: | Sorry ladies, the thread in question, was an appreciation of women, not an objectification of them, IMO. No disrespect was intended on my part. Yeah, certain words were put out there, and maybe shouldn't of been, but a simple PM to the sorce would of solved that.
Just because we like to look at these ladies doesn't make us perverts. I've never attacked, groped, pinched, humiliated or talked down to a woman just because she was a woman. Sheesh, I'm raising three teenage girls, do you really think I could be like that?
BTW, guys are the target of sexual harrassment very often in our modern world, the difference is that it's not socially acceptable for them to tell. If they do, they are not only quite often dismissed, but are mocked by their friends, co-workers, etc.
And as I recall there were quite a few "poor starving guys that couldn't afford proper clothing" on the thread too. And some of the stuff the ladies posted was about equal to the word "piece".
I thought it was all in fun...... 
Sorry if I offended any of you, it was never my intent.
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Unfortunately, we don't have access to pm's anymore. I wish we did, and maybe Paul will reinstate them someday.
I never minded the pics of guys and gals that truly were in appreciation. And I know, I put up some "racey" pics of guys. That was my somewhat lame attempt to make the point that maybe things were going too far with the gal pics. Those ladies in those pics are really attractive, and it's natural for people to think so. But somewhere along the line the attitude changed. See-through tops and pubic hair started showing up, not only on that thread, but others. And the comments started getting nasty.
And Gillian Anderson is a beautiful woman. She's also very talented, intelligent, and funny. But a "piece"? Where ever I've heard that comment, it mean a "piece of a**, or a piece of tail". That's not showing appreciation, that's just nasty. Seriously, Steve, if some guy called your daughters that, would you think they were showing "appreciation"? No way. And it was all in fun, in the beginning. I even started the first "hot thread". But there's a line, and it was crossed, and it wasn't funny anymore.
You've been very honest and open about your life on this site, and that takes courage. So, I'm going to do the same. I've been the victim of two separate attacks, and when I see the pics or comments that cross the line, and take that sort of attitude that women are only good for one thing, and it's a shame that they don't have flat heads to set your beer on during that one thing, it makes me feel that same sick feeling I felt during those attacks. If people really need to do that on this site, then I need to leave. I hope you can understand that. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 02:21 PM
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Oh, and on a side note, if some silly fart who has never been able to have a successful relationship with a woman, and has to pay women to spend time with him, hopefully compensating for the fact that he must have doubts regarding his manhood, (ie Hugh Hefner), represents the "true America", than this country is seriously in the crapper.......   |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 04:10 PM
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| Cat wrote: | The American way is to treat women with disrespect and refer to them as "pieces"? Your view of this country is pretty poor. And no, I don't have to "deal with it". Sexism is no different than racism. So, next do we start putting up racial slurs? Oh goody........ 
I asked my son (in his early 20's) if the guys on his site, or the sites he visits put up this stuff. He said no way. And he said the gals that visit those sites (both the gals and guys are between the ages of 16-25) would never tolerate it. So, no, it isn't the "American way". Seriously, you see some guy walking into an adult video place, and you think "How American!"??? Or do you think something a bit less nice about him.......
I knew this subject would be most likely be met in an unpleasant way. But tough. I'm not going to act like it is appropriate to treat women in this fashion. So, deal with that.  |
Sorry Cat,
My attempt at sarcasm was obviously a flop. Hugh Hefner is a jackass. His redeeming virtue is that, along with the smut, his magazine is kind of informative and maybe even polite.
What I so ineptly tried to express is that Hefner is an entrepreneur who found a market and an audience in our flawed free enterprise (pun intended) world and built an empire.
I think it's disgusting that Hugh has girlfriends who are young enough to be his granddaughters but I may be confusing disgust with envy.
I was just trying to evaluate the Playboy company as a business venture. I am not a Hefner fan and there are no issues of Playboy lying around my place or even hidden away. There is something creepy about Mr. Hefner.
Don't get me started on Bob Guccione.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 04:41 PM
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Cat,
It sucks that things have happened to you, and I'm truely sorry that you had to go through all that you have. No one should have to live with that. And yes, if some dirtbag called one of my girls a "piece" they would be scrapping his ass off the floor.
It's not a word I would ever use in conversation, even hanging out with my friends. Honestly, it was put up on the board, I didn't have a clue that it was that offensive, so I responded to it. I've learned my lesson, and it won't happen again.
You have no idea how bad I feel that I've offended you. I don't know what more I can say, my mistake, and I do apologise to you and all the women out there. Forgiven? |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:01 PM
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To be honest I dont see anything wrong with pictures of beautiful girls and women in bikini or other sexy outfits...
I like to see a man with a ripped shirt or no shirt at all just as much as most men like to see a woman.
But there's a difference between admiration or sexcist behaviour...
I have been a victim of sexual abuse myself as a child , but I think it's going a bit to far to say that looking and enjoying those pictures is some form of sexism.
Just my oppinion though Cat, so please dont bite my head off  |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:06 PM
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Steve,
No one in his or her right mind would EVER think you were disrespectful towards women !
So dont feel guilty about it, we all say things at times we regret later .
He, we're just human right |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:08 PM
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| ColorTelevision wrote: | | Cat wrote: | The American way is to treat women with disrespect and refer to them as "pieces"? Your view of this country is pretty poor. And no, I don't have to "deal with it". Sexism is no different than racism. So, next do we start putting up racial slurs? Oh goody........
I asked my son (in his early 20's) if the guys on his site, or the sites he visits put up this stuff. He said no way. And he said the gals that visit those sites (both the gals and guys are between the ages of 16-25) would never tolerate it. So, no, it isn't the "American way". Seriously, you see some guy walking into an adult video place, and you think "How American!"??? Or do you think something a bit less nice about him.......
I knew this subject would be most likely be met in an unpleasant way. But tough. I'm not going to act like it is appropriate to treat women in this fashion. So, deal with that. |
Sorry Cat,
My attempt at sarcasm was obviously a flop. Hugh Hefner is a jackass. His redeeming virtue is that, along with the smut, his magazine is kind of informative and maybe even polite.
What I so ineptly tried to express is that Hefner is an entrepreneur who found a market and an audience in our flawed free enterprise (pun intended) world and built an empire.
I think it's disgusting that Hugh has girlfriends who are young enough to be his granddaughters but I may be confusing disgust with envy.
I was just trying to evaluate the Playboy company as a business venture. I am not a Hefner fan and there are no issues of Playboy lying around my place or even hidden away. There is something creepy about Mr. Hefner.
Don't get me started on Bob Guccione.
~ CT |
Sorry, CT. I should have caught on what you meant. Sigh, I guess so many others have had a chance to get uppity, that I just felt left out..... so I had my foaming at the mouth moment........
And I'll take your word about that not being a Playboy sticking out from under your mattress......... |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:10 PM
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| CaptJTK wrote: | Cat,
It sucks that things have happened to you, and I'm truely sorry that you had to go through all that you have. No one should have to live with that. And yes, if some dirtbag called one of my girls a "piece" they would be scrapping his ass off the floor.
It's not a word I would ever use in conversation, even hanging out with my friends. Honestly, it was put up on the board, I didn't have a clue that it was that offensive, so I responded to it. I've learned my lesson, and it won't happen again.
You have no idea how bad I feel that I've offended you. I don't know what more I can say, my mistake, and I do apologise to you and all the women out there. Forgiven? |
Of course you're forgiven, and I don't want you to feel bad. I guess something just kind of snapped, and I let out some feelings I should have kept in. Nothing like having a good old fashioned break down before breakfast........ Forgive me for being so uptight about this....  |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:26 PM
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| SMB wrote: | | What is sad about abused girls is that it is very hard to reverse the emotional damage. When an abused girl is brought to a treatment facility, it is often very difficult for a male counselor/therapist to make any progress because in the young girl's mind, she doesn't see him as someone trying to help her, but rather, she sees him as "just another man to take on." |
Sometime the abuser is female.
But in any way, no adult should take advantage of children, whether they are in their care or not. And parents should be very careful to whom they entrust their children. Fortunately nowadays adults in charge of children like child minders have to have their police record checked for safety. But 40 or so years ago there was no checks. And sometimes the granny next door who seemed so helpful might present a risk to kids. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:32 PM
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| Claudia wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | What is sad about abused girls is that it is very hard to reverse the emotional damage. When an abused girl is brought to a treatment facility, it is often very difficult for a male counselor/therapist to make any progress because in the young girl's mind, she doesn't see him as someone trying to help her, but rather, she sees him as "just another man to take on." |
Sometime the abuser is female. |
You are right Claudia and the most awful thing about female abusers is that you hardly never hear a thing about their victims. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:36 PM
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| Pippa wrote: | | Claudia wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | What is sad about abused girls is that it is very hard to reverse the emotional damage. When an abused girl is brought to a treatment facility, it is often very difficult for a male counselor/therapist to make any progress because in the young girl's mind, she doesn't see him as someone trying to help her, but rather, she sees him as "just another man to take on." |
Sometime the abuser is female. |
You are right Claudia and the most awful thing about female abusers is that you hardly never hear a thing about their victims. |
That's right: parents and doctors were reluctant to blow the whistle about somebody especially in small communities where everybody knew everybody and where feuds would last generations. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:40 PM
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| I think it all comes down to respect: adult respecting children, adults respecting adults, whether they are of the same sex or not. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2008 - 05:48 PM
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Awwwww! |
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