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Post subject: Americans and Guns
 Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 02:39 PM
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OK lets just get the this is not an attack on Americans out the way first because its not.
But what is it with the Americans and guns. I watch people arguing on TV they should be aloud to take guns to airports, the recent Washington case on the right of concealed weapons etc. But why.
I have heard the right to defend and protect etc but Guns kill, end of story. Its a pretty drastic version of self defence.
The UK, Australia, Japan and Singapore with so many other countries don't have this gun culture so we just don't get it, we get by with out guns, we feel safe and crime rates are pretty reasonable.
Where did the whole gun thing start, The western times perhaps and how did it get so deeply entrenched into the culture, clearly this will never change but perhaps a few locals can try and explain to us outsiders a little about this.
As I said, not an attack, just really interested in hearing about this from people that live within the culture. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 02:55 PM
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This has been a topic of conversation quite off and on for a while. And it's usually the type of topic that flairs up the tempers of gun owners and non-gun owners. My father owns quite a few of them. He likes the history of them since he has quite a few old relics, he likes the mechanics of them, he likes even the beauty of them. He's a decent shot, also. He's a responsible father so he's always taught gun safety to his children and grandchildren. He owns them because he has the freedom to do so. Our history also teaches that this country isn't anymore invulnerable to invasion or being taken over whether from outsiders or from the inside itself. We've fought several wars on our own soil and seen other countries overrun by vicious dictators. I personally don't own a gun but I don't begrudge people of doing so. My dad and I live in towns that aren't crime ridden, but at the same time a person just can't be too careful. Most people who are law-abiding citizens will never shoot anyone in their entire lives if they're lucky. Or they may have accidental shootings in their homes because of children getting to the guns. The ones that aren't law abiding are now getting the guns from illegal shipments that are sold out of warehouses, etc. Those are the people that makes the average citizen want to be prepared. We can be alarmists, but we have the right to be. We can be peaceful and we'll fight to be. 
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:16 PM
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I can see the topic has potential for heated debate so lets restrict discussion to the culture of guns and not if its right or not.
I am a very good shot with a pistol or rifle myself having used them at gun clubs, they were club guns and the ability for members to own guns here is heavily restricted, many store parts of the guns at the clubs and the rest at a locker at home rendering them useless. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:26 PM
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That's interesting and unusual to my way of thinking, but if that works for you all then it does. I'm personally not a gun person. The noise scares me. I've mostly had a fascination for swords and knives. The history is really amazing if you think about it. The projectile and percushion weapon has been around for centuries. Some of the designs are so outlandish looking. I have to say that as far as unusual design my favorite is the Gatling gun. That one was in use during the American civil war. It of course was deadly.  But, design and mechanics wise it was really interesting. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:44 PM
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Well, first of all there's this little thing called the Bill of Rights....... (this is only a partial list)
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
What can I say, a lot of people have fought and died to protect these rights. This whole country was founded on them, and considering what a great country we are, they can't be bad...... 
Secondly, what would be the point of banning guns? They could be easily smuggled across thousands of miles of borders with Canada or Mexico. Anyone who really wanted to own a gun could, and only those who wanted to abide by the law would not be able to buy them.
I'm not totally against gun control, I have no issue with banning assault weapons. But, I don't feel like giving up a basic right guaranteed to us either. And by the way, I've never owned a gun, or even held one.
My husband grew up in Australia with guns, so a better question might be, how come you guys so easily caved and gave up some of your basic rights? Seems kind of wimpy to me. And you really are generalizing; American does not have a "gun culture". We are a "freedom culture". I really don't see what is so hard to understand. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:56 PM
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O.K., first of all, just because you write "this is not an attack", please keep in mind your 100% negative slant with your comments on the U.S. and it's culture, as your track record has indicated TIME AND TIME AGAIN!! It doesn't mean a thing to me, putting in phrases such as "with all due respect" when the rest of your post contains NOTHING but disrespect. Your U.S. Politics thread is nothing but a thread designed to drum up support for O'Bama, so stop trying to mask it. We're not that gullible.
Now, onto your opinion on guns and the ruddy Yanks. Just to let you know, I don't own any guns nor do I intend to in the near future. Paintball guns don't count, by the way. In your post, you write, "... but guns kill, end of story." Not so fast, ASB! You see, I'm not buying your premise to start with! A gun, a knife, etc., CANNOT kill without a person to use it. Just like how SUV's cannot kill innocent pedestrians or hybrid drivers.
We have a thing called The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. You or anyone else who lives in the U.S. should be aware of this fact. When politicians, outsiders living in another country who CANNOT mind their own business try to minimize the Constitution and try to paint it as a living document that needs to be changed, you're stepping on toes. We don't need any more restrictions on our freedom. It's starts by trying to convince people, "who needs 30 guns in one month?". Then it's, "who needs an automatic weapon for hunting?" or "do you really need a gun in the home with small children?". The way some folks try to impose their self-righteous, sanctimonious opinions on the entire country is sickening. It is an incremental way to slowly take away your constitutional rights, as a U.S. citizen. So, bringing up this subject is just ANOTHER way for outsiders and people who think they know "better" to impose their lifestyle on others. Let me tell you something: It will NEVER WORK!!
I'll probably never own a gun, but I'll defend another's right to do so with every fiber of my being. In the exact same way I'll defend another's right to other freedoms.
If you really want others to take you seriously, you may try to post a neutral or positive comment about the U.S. maybe every once in a blue moon. All I read is trash and I take great offense to it. Too bad you can get away with it sitting behind a computer, because I really doubt you'd be speaking to a yank in the same manner/tone.
Dude, let me try to put it to you this way. I may not like a lot of things I read about going on in Australia, but I wouldn't lack the intelligence, manners or civility to be SO FREAKING INCONSIDERATE TO DO SO, over and over again. Counter your opinions about the U.S. with something other than complaints or your opinions will be viewed as nothing but trash against the U.S..
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:24 PM
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I hate TV Land! It used to be a good cable channel, but they only show tripe like Starsky & Hutch and Perrymason! Geez!
I just flooded the forum boards on the TV Land site, complaining about the lack of value and product for what I pay. Can't believe that Bill is not in Abraham Lincoln's reboot of Columbo, starring John Goodman in the title role. Just won't flood the Ark, buddy-puddy! Geez, can't believe what flickered before my eyes on my jazzy plazzy TV!
Somethings got to be done and said, and I will post on that bulletin board until Buster Keaton and the Lumiere Brothers are returned to TV Land, as well as getting Bill doing a cameo in Columbo. Hey, we never got to see Mrs Columbo in the great original series, with Falk. I hear, that in the new version, Columbo has a boyfriend, called Trigger. Sheesh, would never have happened if a real man like John Wayne were in the saddle. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:27 PM
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OMG, Harry, you are so wrong!! In fact, I'm electing you the king of wrongness.
TV Land does not show Perry Mason. They should. Perry Mason is one of the all time best shows in the entire Universe. Paul Drake was so cool, and I suspect that you had a crush on Della....... yeah, you know you wanted her..........   |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:35 PM
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If J.J. Abraham Lincoln gets his way, he says that he will be remaking Ironside! Only this time, Ironside has 16 foot bionic legs that can punch holes in concrete walls. His new catchphrase is expected to be, "Ironside got legs of gold. Tell me who did it, Crumb!"
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:44 PM
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It gets worse. Just read that J.J. Abraham Lincoln is also remaking Hill Street Blues as a Bluegrass musical for the cinema, with Bette Midler, Liza Minelli and a CGI recreation of Ethel Merman.
On top of this, Madonna has be cast as Doctor Kildare! |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:52 PM
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| Harry_Mudd wrote: | I hate TV Land! It used to be a good cable channel, but they only show tripe like Starsky & Hutch and Perrymason! Geez!
I just flooded the forum boards on the TV Land site, complaining about the lack of value and product for what I pay. Can't believe that Bill is not in Abraham Lincoln's reboot of Columbo, starring John Goodman in the title role. Just won't flood the Ark, buddy-puddy! Geez, can't believe what flickered before my eyes on my jazzy plazzy TV!
Somethings got to be done and said, and I will post on that bulletin board until Buster Keaton and the Lumiere Brothers are returned to TV Land, as well as getting Bill doing a cameo in Columbo. Hey, we never got to see Mrs Columbo in the great original series, with Falk. I hear, that in the new version, Columbo has a boyfriend, called Trigger. Sheesh, would never have happened if a real man like John Wayne were in the saddle. |
TV Land is ruining my television set! I'm sending them the repair bill! TV Land was showing an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies and Granny shot Mr. Drysdale's toupee. Well, the next thing I knew, there was a hole in my picture tube and a bullet shell about 2 feet away from the damage! I'm going over to TV Land dot com and complaining!
And if TV Land shows Buster Keaton, they damn well better show the ones with Eddie Cline directing! I don't want to see the ones after he signed the big studio contract! |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 04:53 PM
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| Harry_Mudd wrote: | | Columbo has a boyfriend, called Trigger. Sheesh, would never have happened if a real man like John Wayne were in the saddle. |
At least we have Brokeback to fall back on! |
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: |
And if TV Land shows Buster Keaton, they damn well better show the ones with Eddie Cline directing! I don't want to see the ones after he signed the big studio contract! |
DAMN STRAIGHT! You took the very words out of my tonsils. If we work together - you, Morgram and I - we can bring a devolution to TV as we know it. Get back to basic, wholesome slapstick and banana skins on the floor. |
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The age of innocence is gone forever.
" Well , here's another nice mess you've gotten me into " |
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| Spock1 wrote: | The age of innocence is gone forever.
" Well , here's another nice mess you've gotten me into " |
Far too modern! I want cinema from pre-1920, otherwise I'll eat celluloid and film canisters, until TV Land gets it right. |
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