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 Posted: Jun 16, 2008 - 02:59 AM
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Yep he is alive in the Nexus, Whoopy Golberg in her role stated that there is a shadow of the person left in the nexus when you leave, that is why when JLP was there he met her.
Only part of Kirk died in Generations, after saving billions of people mind you so it was hardly a meaninless death. Spock died and returned after saving just a single star ship crew.
As for JJ being a geek, well if you look at the average Star Trek convention, I recon that makes him more than qualified.
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| ASB wrote: | Yep he is alive in the Nexus, Whoopy Golberg in her role stated that there is a shadow of the person left in the nexus when you leave, that is why when JLP was there he met her.
Only part of Kirk died in Generations, after saving billions of people mind you so it was hardly a meaninless death. Spock died and returned after saving just a single star ship crew.
As for JJ being a geek, well if you look at the average Star Trek convention, I recon that makes him more tha qualified.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2008 - 04:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure XI will succeed at the box office, morgram, but it won't succeed artistically. With the new guys and Abrams' arrogant aggressive new approach, XI won't become a real part of the legacy. It will just be a new chapter, but with the authentic Spock AND the authentic Kirk they could have turned their film into something really meaningful, they could have come full circle, span an arc, they could have interwoven their film into 40 years of ST. Without Bill and without that magic "bridging", all they'll do is to make a film with "mass appeal", meaning the kids and the people who want something new at all costs will probably see it, enjoy it, and will have forgotten about it by the next day. But Abrams' & Co. want to feed the zeitgeist, no matter what.
The legend has already been created - Abrams can re-imagine, re-invent, re-whatever as much as he wants to, he'll never be able to re-create anything a quarter as enduring, indestructible, iconic, and archetypal as THE ORIGINAL. |
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| Iowagirl wrote: | I'm pretty sure XI will succeed at the box office, morgram, but it won't succeed artistically. With the new guys and Abrams' arrogant aggressive new approach, XI won't become a real part of the legacy. It will just be a new chapter, but with the authentic Spock AND the authentic Kirk they could have turned their film into something really meaningful, they could have come full circle, span an arc, they could have interwoven their film into 40 years of ST. Without Bill and without that magic "bridging", all they'll do is to make a film with "mass appeal", meaning the kids and the people who want something new at all costs will probably see it, enjoy it, and will have forgotten about it by the next day. But Abrams' & Co. want to feed the zeitgeist, no matter what.
The legend has already been created - Abrams can re-imagine, re-invent, re-whatever as much as he wants to, he'll never be able to re-create anything a quarter as enduring, indestructible, iconic, and archetypal as THE ORIGINAL. |
Some want to deny the legend, however, BECAUSE they know they can`t or won`t be able to effectively compete with it. Some believe that a starship captain should be a larger than life figure like Horatio Hornblower while others want to pervade the fallacy that ANYONE especially intellectual-spouting bureaucrats can be effective men of action. My ass! That`s all I gotta say. |
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Considering this film falls between Enterprise and TOS to bring it into the franchise I would have thought having Archer in it would have been more appropriate or some of the Enterprise crew. TOS occurs after the event so the best one can do is sew in a flash back sequence, something which really has been done to death and serves little or no purpose other than getting a particular actor a gig.
Film franchises can successfully hit the restart button, after 21 movies the Bond Series did exactly that with the Casino Royal and it greatly enhanced what was becoming aged. No one could argue that the restart of Battle Star Galactica was bad, it was a very well made update of a popular old icon. For that matter Star Trek The Next Generation did exactly the same thing for this franchise and its due the same treatment again.
While I have little time for JJ's Lost Alias was well made and for its type of project Felicity was excellent. He is a creative new tallent and for years everyone said Star Trek needed a change at the helm. Remain open minded, you may be pleased with the result. |
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| morgram wrote: | | Iowagirl wrote: | I'm pretty sure XI will succeed at the box office, morgram, but it won't succeed artistically. With the new guys and Abrams' arrogant aggressive new approach, XI won't become a real part of the legacy. It will just be a new chapter, but with the authentic Spock AND the authentic Kirk they could have turned their film into something really meaningful, they could have come full circle, span an arc, they could have interwoven their film into 40 years of ST. Without Bill and without that magic "bridging", all they'll do is to make a film with "mass appeal", meaning the kids and the people who want something new at all costs will probably see it, enjoy it, and will have forgotten about it by the next day. But Abrams' & Co. want to feed the zeitgeist, no matter what.
The legend has already been created - Abrams can re-imagine, re-invent, re-whatever as much as he wants to, he'll never be able to re-create anything a quarter as enduring, indestructible, iconic, and archetypal as THE ORIGINAL.
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Some want to deny the legend, however, BECAUSE they know they can`t or won`t be able to effectively compete with it. Some believe that a starship captain should be a larger than life figure like Horatio Hornblower while others want to pervade the fallacy that ANYONE especially intellectual-spouting bureaucrats can be effective men of action. My ass! That`s all I gotta say. |
I agree to your evaluation of Abrams' (et al) intentions and the man himself. And I'm as mad as you are about the film makers' arrogance, and their approach. My ass, as well..  I just think it's important to not lose faith in the strength and the immortality of the original. |
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