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 Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 06:40 AM
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The biggest reason Hillary was overlooked was Bill, what would you do with him, I could see the adverts now that a vote for Obama is a third term for Clinton, mind you the same would have been said about Hillary.
I often wonder if she was not married to Bill did she actually have the tallent to achieve what she did, I am not sure, she is a pretty amazing lady but I doubt she would have ot a look in if she was ust a Senitor from NY. (who of course isn't from NY) |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 07:09 AM
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ASB, you are Daisy's son, pretty sure I got that right.
I don't think there is anyone on this board I respect more than DDU.
But you post some mighty political and controversial stuff.
It is not my intention to butt heads with you, but you leave me no choice 
You are an Obama fan, he may win.
Just because someone doesn't blow with the Obama wind, doesn't
make them the bad guy.
One of the reasons I refuse to vote for liberals/Democrats
is because they use that very tactic. Vote for us or you are a demon.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 10:48 AM
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And the Republicans don't use that tactic? Of course they do. They use fear of the unknown, which is a tried and true tactic in elections since time immemorial. It's a case of "always keep a-hold of Nurse, for fear of finding something worse"!
I am very fearful of McCain. He doesn't seem intellectually up to the job. Republicans do seem to have this tendency to go for someone they think will appeal to the "average" voter, someone who won't scare them with intellectual brilliance. If I were an average voter in the U.S., I think I would be deeply offended! |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 12:58 PM
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Interesting comment Gornman, I am not sure if you have read the full 40+ pages of this thread but those of us that started early in the Primaries have had a very good discussion and journey through this election, what has been great is we have discussed the merits of the candidates and not attacked or baited each other, other than a light hearted banter.
I know you love to go head to head with people but please not in this thread, I would like to see the Journey end with a celebration of Democracy and a congratulatory message to the winning candidate, Obama or McCain.
Politics these days is to easily confused with sound bights and snappy one liners, I like a politician that makes you want to listen and inspires confidence. Tomorrow Night I am having dinner with the Minister for Disability Services who is a really great lady, I find her always interesting to listen to yet we are able to talk about our kids, communities and common chat like that (she is American as well which is interesting).
I do like Obama, he represents a very fresh new opportunity, it may be that he is a bit of a wild card but the US just might need that at the moment, why not take a risk and see where Obama takes you, it just might see America far more popular on the international stage again. Obama has a huge over seas following mainly because people are not really happy with what America has become, it’s a bit like a close friend that has lost its way and needs a nudge back in the right direction. Its nice to see someone inspire people as he does.
The great thing about a democracy is people can have different opinions, they can debate them and discuss the merits of each case and no one is necessarily right or wrong, just different. What happens in the US has a profound impact on the allies of the US and America does not have a closer friend than Australia. After al America is the second best Country in the world after all. |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 02:33 PM
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I do like Obama, he represents a very fresh new opportunity, it may be that he is a bit of a wild card but the US just might need that at the moment, why not take a risk and see where Obama takes you, it just might see America far more popular on the international stage again. Obama has a huge over seas following mainly because people are not really happy with what America has become, it’s a bit like a close friend that has lost its way and needs a nudge back in the right direction. Its nice to see someone inspire people as he does.
The great thing about a democracy is people can have different opinions, they can debate them and discuss the merits of each case and no one is necessarily right or wrong, just different. What happens in the US has a profound impact on the allies of the US and America does not have a closer friend than Australia. After al America is the second best Country in the world after all. |
O'Bama has said enough for people to figure out where he'll "take" us. It's down a road to big, nanny govt. "Free" healthcare and "free" education, which cannot possibly be free. Too many people view politics as a "what can you do for me and my specific problems". Every time I see a town hall meeting, someone takes the mic and starts talking about how they have a loved one with a disease or he's lost his job (through no fault of his own, of course). Then they want that politician to help them. It's a shame that so many people have such a self-absorbing view of the world. How many times do you see someone doing something for a charity because their cause has affected his life in some way?? My father had cancer, my sister had parkinson's, my brother died as a fireman. Who knows if they ever would've gotten involved if something bad didn't happen to them. It's like when someone turns to religion only after they've hit rock bottom. I doubt their sincerity due to the fact they're out to get something.
I want these politicians out of my life. Stop interfering with every aspect of a free society and stop playing nanny. I don't need or want their "help". Even my liberal friends are calling O'Bama a corporate shill. He's not a refreshing change like his campaign slogan states. He's more of the same old democrat that wants more power over the common people. Enough is enough with that arrogant style of retoric.
I know there's people who try to combat this line of thinking by saying the republicans do the same thing. True, but that doesn't give either side any legitimacy. Less govt., more freedom is what I'd like to see. If I have to hold my nose and vote for McCain, ANOTHER Irishman like O'Bama, I'll do it. |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 03:00 PM
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I do like Obama, he represents a very fresh new opportunity, it may be that he is a bit of a wild card but the US just might need that at the moment, why not take a risk and see where Obama takes you, it just might see America far more popular on the international stage again. Obama has a huge over seas following mainly because people are not really happy with what America has become, it’s a bit like a close friend that has lost its way and needs a nudge back in the right direction. Its nice to see someone inspire people as he does.
The great thing about a democracy is people can have different opinions, they can debate them and discuss the merits of each case and no one is necessarily right or wrong, just different. What happens in the US has a profound impact on the allies of the US and America does not have a closer friend than Australia. After al America is the second best Country in the world after all. |
O'Bama has said enough for people to figure out where he'll "take" us. It's down a road to big, nanny govt. "Free" healthcare and "free" education, which cannot possibly be free. Too many people view politics as a "what can you do for me and my specific problems". Every time I see a town hall meeting, someone takes the mic and starts talking about how they have a loved one with a disease or he's lost his job (through no fault of his own, of course). Then they want that politician to help them. It's a shame that so many people have such a self-absorbing view of the world. How many times do you see someone doing something for a charity because their cause has affected his life in some way?? My father had cancer, my sister had parkinson's, my brother died as a fireman. Who knows if they ever would've gotten involved if something bad didn't happen to them. It's like when someone turns to religion only after they've hit rock bottom. I doubt their sincerity due to the fact they're out to get something.
I want these politicians out of my life. Stop interfering with every aspect of a free society and stop playing nanny. I don't need or want their "help". Even my liberal friends are calling O'Bama a corporate shill. He's not a refreshing change like his campaign slogan states. He's more of the same old democrat that wants more power over the common people. Enough is enough with that arrogant style of retoric.
I know there's people who try to combat this line of thinking by saying the republicans do the same thing. True, but that doesn't give either side any legitimacy. Less govt., more freedom is what I'd like to see. If I have to hold my nose and vote for McCain, ANOTHER Irishman like O'Bama, I'll do it. |
Well, well said, JT.
No such thing as free health care, or free education.
First of all, Obama does not have a plan for free national health care, as many people seem to believe. He has a plan for the government to act as a huge insurance company. Of course he'd have to raise taxes to pay for the government to run the plan. On top of that there would be insurance premiums, paid to the government, co-pays, deductibles, etc. And he admits that on top of all of that, most people would still choose to have private health insurance. So, most of us would wind up paying three to four times as much, for less than we have now. For some strange reason, this doesn't make a lot of sense to me..... 
And his education plans call for not billions, but trillions more. I'm pretty sure I can't afford that. And the rich don't pay for it, their lawyers and accountants see to that. Your average, middle income, schmuck, like me, pays for it.
Dang, if I'm going to spend that much money, the government had better throw in a big screen TV.......  |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 03:02 PM
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| ASB wrote: | The biggest reason Hillary was overlooked was Bill, what would you do with him, I could see the adverts now that a vote for Obama is a third term for Clinton, mind you the same would have been said about Hillary.
I often wonder if she was not married to Bill did she actually have the tallent to achieve what she did, I am not sure, she is a pretty amazing lady but I doubt she would have ot a look in if she was ust a Senitor from NY. (who of course isn't from NY) |
On the flip side of that coin, I wonder if Billy boy would have gone as far if he did not have a wife with amibition. Without her, he may never have gone into politics, or gone as far as he did. She, on the other hand, might have gone just as far by herself, or with someone else. |
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| greenchick wrote: | And the Republicans don't use that tactic? Of course they do. They use fear of the unknown, which is a tried and true tactic in elections since time immemorial. It's a case of "always keep a-hold of Nurse, for fear of finding something worse"!
I am very fearful of McCain. He doesn't seem intellectually up to the job. Republicans do seem to have this tendency to go for someone they think will appeal to the "average" voter, someone who won't scare them with intellectual brilliance. If I were an average voter in the U.S., I think I would be deeply offended! |
With all due respect, green one, I don't think that's it AT ALL.
I think a lot of liberals just think they are intellectually superior than conservatives. There is nothing to indicate that McCain is intellectually sub-par for the job. There CERTAINLY isn't anything to indicate that Barack Obama is more intellectually up to the job!
The guy delivers great speeches and speaks in vague promises and tosses the word "change" around willy-nilly. That does NOT make him intellectually superior. He seems to flounder when forced to think on his feet. That's a carefully crafted politician who is groomed to look like a leader, but isn't necessarily up to the challenge.
Liberals love to throw around the "I'm smarter than you" thing. And I know Bush gets a lot of heat for his inability to be a good speaker, but they pulled that "Gore is smarter than Bush", and I never bought it. Ditto with Kerry.
I can't remember, but I'm sure they pulled it with Reagan-Mondale, Reagan-Carter, etc etc.
As Slick Willy proved, I'll take a guy who can lead over someone who is smooth and talks nice. |
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Posted: Aug 27, 2008 - 03:26 PM
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Just curious, but for those who don't care all that much of Cheney, would you be willing to vote for a relative of his for pres??
For those who didn't know, Obama is a distant cousin of Cheney's. When asked about his connection, Obama said he didn't plan on attending any family hunting trips........  |
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| Cat wrote: | Just curious, but for those who don't care all that much of Cheney, would you be willing to vote for a relative of his for pres??
For those who didn't know, Obama is a distant cousin of Cheney's. When asked about his connection, Obama said he didn't plan on attending any family hunting trips........ |
Yeah, no hunting trips with ghosts who steal your underwear!! |
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I have a question I wonder if anyone knows the answer to:
Does anyone know the candidates stands on animal rights? I can't find anything on either one's websites, and this happens to be a very important issue to me. Animal rights are one of the reasons I absolutely cannot stand Al Gore.
Oh, by the way, both candidates sell T-shirts on their sites for those who are interested......... |
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | | Cat wrote: | Just curious, but for those who don't care all that much of Cheney, would you be willing to vote for a relative of his for pres??
For those who didn't know, Obama is a distant cousin of Cheney's. When asked about his connection, Obama said he didn't plan on attending any family hunting trips........ |
Yeah, no hunting trips with ghosts who steal your underwear!! |
Oh great, now you tell me. Okay, I'll cancel my plans for Friday night.......  |
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Isn't McCain meant to be a distant relative of Modona, now thats one family reunion I think she will be skipping, on the other hand I doubt he will be posting an invite any time soon
I had a laugh on Fox today, they took photo's of key political players to protestors and most could not even name them, including Cheney. You would think if you took the time to be in a Political Protest, you might now who the VP was at least. |
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| ASB wrote: | Isn't McCain meant to be a distant relative of Modona, now thats one family reunion I think she will be skipping, on the other hand I doubt he will be posting an invite any time soon
I had a laugh on Fox today, they took photo's of key political players to protestors and most could not even name them, including Cheney. You would think if you took the time to be in a Political Protest, you might now who the VP was at least. |
I don't suppose you get the Jay Leno (Tonight show) over there? He has something called "Jay Walking", where he interviews people in various places. It is unbelievable. On one occasion he went to a college graduation (can't remember which college, but one of those in So. Ca.), and asked the graduates how many moons the Earth has. You wouldn't believe how many of them didn't know. It's truly amazing, and frightening, how many really ignorant people are out there....... |
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Well, I can't answer the animal protection question but...
I'd say O'Bama, being Irish Protestant will do everything in his power to help animals. McCain, being Iriish Catholic will torture animals in public and then eat them because he is Republican...and Irish...catholic!
But I know the earth has 5 big moons! There are smaller ones, but the big ones are: Io, Europa, Callisto, Ganymede...and Titan. Saturn didn't want Titan anymore, so we got it at a cheap price. |
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