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 Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 04:28 PM
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| Cat wrote: | | ASB wrote: |
On Obama his speech on Farthers Day was excellent, he just needs to do one of those every month until November to remind people he is worth listening to.
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His Father's Day speech was excellent, and I think this subject is especially relevant to him, since his own father skipped out when he was little.
But then I heard him on Kimmel, and his comments on Hawaii's basketball team, and the shortness of Asians.......  Funny how some people can get away with anything.........  |
Oh my! Reverse racism?!? Who saw that coming?....maybe we did? |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 04:40 PM
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| angel wrote: | . They say they can. Kent was listening to talk radio the other day and a native Alaskan says that she wished that they would utilize some of the land over there for drilling because the pipe-lines provide heat for the animals that have adapted to them and the feed they consume. The land they're talking about is comparative to the size of a football smack dab in the center of a football field. That small. And they say they've discovered a huge resevoir of oil in Colorado or some state west of here. If there was a way to extract that without the ecological destruction and the polluting of the water tables, then I'd say go for it.  Personally, I don't want my kids worrying about all of this when they're old and grey. The oil reserves in America can be used for a 100yrs and hopefully by then some smart feller can come up with a better alternative. |
Yep, however, the liberal media aren't going to spread that fact around anytime soon.
| angel wrote: | As for the pygmy penguins...I don't blame you for not trusting them! They've got so many masks and you just can't verify their sincerity one bit!
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Yeah, they're too sneeky for me. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 04:43 PM
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 04:56 PM
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| Batman wrote: | | Spock1 wrote: | I actually caught a business show and the explanation as to WHY the price has gone up.
WJC let expire a law that permitted only those within the oil community to speculate on futures.
Now parties who have no interest in oil, but merely making money, are speculating on future pricing and say it will go up, thus the price has risen based upon the market speculation of these parties.
Trying to get the horse back in the barn is probably not possible now, let's see if the next president does so. |
So it took almost 8 or more years for the prices to go up. And if this law was so important, why didn't GWB reinstitute it before things got out of control? |
A good point and one we'll probably never know the answer to. I think the speculators just took advantage of this law within the past year so it probably didn't come to anyones attention.
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So if McCain gets in it will still be the fault of WJC. And if Obama gets in it will be his inability to do his job that will be the problem. |
There, you see, that wasn't hard to figure out after all.  |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 10:50 PM
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From what I've read, drilling in Alaska won't benefit us much to begin with.
A Department of Energy report released last month (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/38223.html) found that the Arctic Refuge’s reserves will do little to reduce the price of a barrel of oil:
| Quote: | | If Congress were to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, crude oil prices would probably drop by an average of only 75 cents a barrel, according to Department of Energy projections issued Thursday. |
Oil production in the refuge “is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices.”
In 2005, the DoE estimated that there are nearly 18 billion barrels of oil available in the OCS, which is roughly double the reserves in the Arctic Refuge. Thus, by 2025, drilling in Alaska and the OCS would shave around $2.25 off the cost of a barrel of oil meaning “little to no impact on the price at the pump, today or tomorrow.”
More on what we'd get (or not get) from Alaska drilling at:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ ... ction.html
http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/offshor ... omes-empty
Now if we had anything close to resembling an energy policy developed over the past several years, perhaps things wouldn't be as bad, or at least not get so much worse in the future? |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 11:09 PM
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Alot of this stuff is way over my head, so it's pretty much like a stab in the dark for me when I try to respond with a halfway intelligent rebuttal...but I'll give it one more puny shot. 
The EPA has restricted refinery building since the mid '70s. Even if we were to be allowed to do drilling in Alaska or anywhere in America, it's just about too late. No way to catch up. Our population is immense, the supply and demand of fossil fuels and the consumption of energy is disproportionate to our needs. That's why there's alot of blackouts in huge cities during the summertime. Not enough power supply to accomodate the populations. And the places that we're dependent on for fossil fuels know we're caught by our shorthairs. No way we can free ourselves and they jack up the prices to the point we are literally going to be stalled on the sides of the road because we couldn't pay the price for their expensive fuel. One way or another we'll be forced to drill in our territories or we will be stalled out for good. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 11:44 PM
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to quote "Burminham Brown"
"feets do your stuff" |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 11:48 PM
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| Spock1 wrote: | to quote "Burminham Brown"
"feets do your stuff" |
Lol...yeah, but I don't think my husband is going to like hoofing it 40 miles each day! He'll be worn to a frazzle! He's just now getting used to some of that tiny middle-aged spread he's got. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2008 - 11:54 PM
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| well it's cheaper to buy shoes now than to buy gas........... |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 03:16 AM
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Well, congress is working hard to solve our energy problem. So, okay, they really haven't come up with much, contrary to their promises two years ago. But, they did pass a law forcing us to use those new light bulbs. And so what if those bulbs contain mercury and are harmful, and are only made in China. I'm sure that means nothing bad.........  |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 03:18 AM
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What about offshore drilling, and coal? I'm nervous about offshore drilling due to pollution, but it would solve some of our energy needs. And since we allow other countries to drill off our shores, could we do any worse than they would?
And would coal (turning it into a fuel that could run our cars) be a good alternative? |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 04:01 AM
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| Cat wrote: | What about offshore drilling, and coal? I'm nervous about offshore drilling due to pollution, but it would solve some of our energy needs. And since we allow other countries to drill off our shores, could we do any worse than they would?
And would coal (turning it into a fuel that could run our cars) be a good alternative? |
That's exactly what we were talking about at home a while ago! You read our minds! Me and Kent were talking about the offshore drilling on our shores by other countries, the fact that coal could still be a factor in our search for more fossil fuels, despite the fact that it produces black lung in mine workers and a smudge in the air that gave meaning to the word London Fog. And that eventually if we don't get ourselves in gear our kids and grandkids will have to be burning wood to heat their homes and then we'd be stripping wooded areas and trying to re populate them with seedling trees which take decades to mature. Somethings got to give..the binds that tie need to be loosened or cut all together. By the way, love the lightbulb video The guy made some very valid points. I'm scared to own those lightbulbs for that very reason. I don't want to asphyxiate on fumes if I accidently knock over my lamp and break the bulb! We still buy regular bulbs. I think they put out brighter light anyways. Those other lights seem too dimn to me and give me eyestrain.  |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 12:56 PM
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In Australia we will have no choice re the light bulbs, in a few years the old light bulb lights will be banned from sale. They do save a lot of money on power but the length they last is severly reduced if you turn them on and off.
I get fed up with things like light bulbs and plastic bags (bags are made from recycled plastic anyway. Its just politicians wanting to look green without doing much.
I am off to New Zealand tomorrow. so keep this very interesting topic going |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 01:26 PM
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They plan to make the CFL here mandatory as well within the next few years. Like congress has nothing better to do than control what light bulbs we buy. Maybe they feel it makes up for the fact that they haven't done anything else regarding energy policies. The democrats promised that if they were elected to congress two years ago, that things would change. Well, they have, just not for the better.....
Good luck in New Zealand. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 - 05:09 PM
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| I think I'll invest in a torch, twigs and oily resin company. Looks like it will make it big in a few years. |
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