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 Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 06:25 PM
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A "Degree" from any college or University has NOTHING to do with political views, it has to do a lot with learned behavior (IMO).
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Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 06:31 PM
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I was moved by your story, Cat and admire your courage. I agree that education is no proof of a life lived well, but then neither is a sign of unthinking arrogance. Watching Joe thrive at uni, I would say he has learnt how to marshal his arguments and interpret ideas in a clear and focused way. he has learnt quite how much he loves History and how much there is to learn and has gained the skills to continue his study forever, as an integral part of his life, rather than as an eternal student, she adds, quickly! I think it has given him confidence in his own abilities and has really awakened intellectual curiosity in him which is a delightful thing to see. That is one thing you can have whether you've been to uni or not.
LS, I so hope you're wrong.... |
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Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 09:11 PM
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GC...I hope I am too...but I would rather be prepared. I'm sorry to say that I don't think formal education would have helped Sarah...she is a woman who feels she is above the norm and it's limitations of conduct.
Her refusal to answer questions at a debate, that her counterpart had no trouble answering, even if it did make him uncomfortable, is arrogance at it's worst. To announce to the forum that you have no intention of answering any queries is just arrogance and rudeness, hardly the qualifying attributes of a Leader of a Country....much less the US.
Her defiance of the limitations placed on her as Govenor is a really bad Omen. I don't want to watch our Country turn into a completely Meglomanical, Marshall Law, Militaristic Prison...it is already heading to that goal...something has to turn it around...or we, as a Society will FALL.
Everytime I even think of ANY of the Candidates...one song pops into my head..." I'm Your Puppet"
Somehow, the general standards of qualification have been avoided this Election. It usually goes in a timeline for a Candidate...local govt. Mayor, Governor, Senate or Congress...candidate for Pres. or VP. This time we have seen a skip that does not afford EXPERIENCE to handle the intricate dealings of Political GAMES. Washington will eat Palin alive...her chip on her shoulder, her defiance, will not save her. She doesn't have the backing of associations ..except for whoever the PuppetMaster is in this scenario.
As for Political Leanings myself....If anything, I am more a Libertarian, but we have no CHOICE in the Monopoly that is our system. We MUST choose to be either Rep. or Dem. or we do not vote in Primaries...we do not receive Information. We are kept in the complacent nothingness of Illiterate Bliss....therefore I registered as Dem.....while my exhubby was REP...then I read everything and I always make a choice for the better PERSON...not the Party. Even Lincoln said ..that one must choose the best person, because it comes down to who offered the position to you in the first place...they will be the party you run with...though you may have leanings to the other parties agenda. He was an uneducated man...he did not go by the usual system of advancement either...he was a puppet used by his party, as well...but the one thing the man had was an innate sensitivity to be able to see cause and reaction to every move he made. He LISTENED to what people said to him and he followed the Courtesy Rules of Society. He also paid the ultimate price for being a Puppet and not living up to the agreements he made before his term in office.
POLITICS IS A DANGEROUS BUSINESS...and I don't even want to play a game with my life, childrens lives...this Country and it's People, the Enviroment..the Flora and Fauna....with someone who makes me cringe at the moment she opens her mouth...it's frightening to me.
With even an OFF CHANCE that something could happen...I won't vote for a ticket with HER on it. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 12:30 AM
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I think she has put the case for women in politics back a long way. I just hope she doesn't get to put womens' rights back a long way if she gets into office, luckily that's looking less and less likely.
Cat, I suspected that quote was from Obama. We always say that the US resembles a one party state more than any other country. It makes me laugh when people say that the Democrats are right-wing. Only when you compare them with Bush! You're right, there is absolutely no reason why those earning over $250,000 shouldn't pay considerably more tax to fund a fairer society. I was disappointed to read that Obama does not support that. Having said that, I would still vote for him a hundred times before I even dreamt of voting for the other ticket. I support Obama for his policies on the environment and Iraq. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 02:58 AM
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| greenchick wrote: | I think she has put the case for women in politics back a long way. I just hope she doesn't get to put womens' rights back a long way if she gets into office, luckily that's looking less and less likely.
Cat, I suspected that quote was from Obama. We always say that the US resembles a one party state more than any other country. It makes me laugh when people say that the Democrats are right-wing. Only when you compare them with Bush! You're right, there is absolutely no reason why those earning over $250,000 shouldn't pay considerably more tax to fund a fairer society. I was disappointed to read that Obama does not support that. Having said that, I would still vote for him a hundred times before I even dreamt of voting for the other ticket. I support Obama for his policies on the environment and Iraq. |
The problem is, that unless you check Obama's site on a weekly to daily basis, you probably don't know what his current plan is for Iraq and the environment.
At first, Obama had planned an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Now he plans to withdraw the troops gradually, over the next 16 months. Some troops would be left in Iraq, and others would be deployed to Afghanistan. If things go south as the troops withdraw, I have little doubt that the troops would remain far longer than the 16 months Obama has quoted. His plan differs little from McCain's, other than McCain plans to withdraw them "as quickly as feasible", while Obama states dates. In either case, I personally believe there will be troops in Iraq for some time, although in Obama's case they would be known as "peace keepers". Same plan, different name.
As far as the environment, both candidates have totally caved. And there is now very little difference between the two candidates plans. This is from Obama's website:
Oil companies have access to over 68 million acres of land, over 40 million offshore, which they are not drilling on. Drilling in open areas could significantly increase domestic oil and gas production. Obama and Biden will require oil companies to diligently develop these areas, or turn them over so that another company can develop them.
So, Obama now favors on and offshore drilling, a deviation from his original stance.
He wants to prioritize the the construction of the Alaska Natural Gas pipeline. Develop and deploy "clean" coal technology. He wants to use "safe and secure" nuclear energy. Now if he had stayed with the "no new nukes" idea, I might have actually been able to support him. Living in the shadow of Trojan (the nuclear power plant, not the condom), I learned to hate and distrust nuclear power plants. The damn thing was never cost effective, never worked right, and since all waste was stored on site, put a large portion of the Pacific Northwest at risk. Now, just because much of Europe has made the mistake of embracing nuclear energy, Obama wants to do the same. In any case, read both candidates websites, and you'll see there isn't a heck of a lot of difference anymore. Neither the Dems or the Reps have ever had a really good environmental plan. More of the same old in my opinion. Both of the candidates support the development of clean energy sources, etc., but it's a case of I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 02:59 AM
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| DOC wrote: | A "Degree" from any college or University has NOTHING to do with political views, it has to do a lot with learned behavior (IMO).
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That is pretty much what I believe. But then I always knew you were brilliant.....   |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 03:01 AM
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Littlestar, you and I agree on the basic core values. And we are both distrustful of any of the current politicians to be able to carry out a workable plan to save the environment, or keep peace.
In any case, I'm proud you're my friend, not in spite of the fact that we sometimes disagree, but because we do, and still remain friends. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 03:11 AM
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| I love you too...I just wish more people could learn from our example |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 03:14 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | | I love you too...I just wish more people could learn from our example |
And can I say I even have a different outlook when I got to know you two as well. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 03:57 AM
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You would have to say Obama has a much better team of advisers, I noticed that McCain has Carly Fiorina as his economic adviser. Fiorina was the CEO of Hewlett-Packard (HP) in 1999. In 2000, she also became HP’s chairman of the board. With the support of the Board of Directors, she led HP into a controversial merger with rival Compaq in 2002. During her tenure, the market halved HP’s value and the company incurred heavy job losses. Fiorina was asked by the Board of Directors to step down in 2005.
So is it any wonder he is struggling with advisers who’s record is to half the value of their company.
Palin is as I said on the very day she was announced a mind blowingly stupid choice for a running mate. I am sure there is significantly better female leaders or CEO's out there that could have strengthened his economical qualifications. Obama was always tagged as weak on foreign policy but since choosing Biden he has been left alone on that point and clearly getting very good advice as well as he shows no weakness in his answering questions on the topic. |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 04:24 AM
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For Heavens Sake..Paris Hilton has more Savvy than Palin....  |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 06:45 AM
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 08:15 AM
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| DOC wrote: | A "Degree" from any college or University has NOTHING to do with political views, it has to do a lot with learned behavior (IMO).
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Sorry, but that really does look like a large chip on the shoulder....Why put degree in inverted commas? Obtaining a decent degree from a respected university is very hard work. Over here anyway, can't vouch for your system. If the degree is of any value it has taught you to challenge accepted wisdom and to have the confidence to challenge learned behaviour.
I agree it doesn't have much to do with political views though... |
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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 08:18 AM
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| Well, if as you say there is little between Obama and McCain, and my research on that will have to wait til this evening, I'll go with Obama to keep Palin away from the red button and because I actually believe that Obama can motivate people to demand change. McCain comes across as weak and tetchy and at the moment seems to be appealing to peoples' basest instincts and their fears. |
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