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 Posted: May 13, 2008 - 11:05 PM
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I was hearing on the O'Reilly Factor last night that if Hillary were to switch to third party then that would effectively steal votes from Obama. She's still the same person, but even though my husband tried to explain to me as to how that would work, I was still having a hard time getting over the fact she's still the same person!   |
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Posted: May 14, 2008 - 08:52 AM
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It is very difficult to get a third viable force in polatics once you have a well entranched two party system. Here we had the Australian Democrats that gave it a very good go but they fell apart and now basically are non existant.
The Green parties can make inroads, if Al Gore for example split and set up a green movement he could get some momentum as it takes someone of his stature to achieve this.
Independent come and go, they have no real power or influence except over a few single issue agenda items.
Today will be interesting, if Clinton wins by less than 35 to 40 points thare has actually been a swing to Obama if she wins by more Obama is going to have to work very hard to win support in that Demographic. |
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Posted: May 14, 2008 - 10:01 AM
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| ASB wrote: | It is very difficult to get a third viable force in polatics once you have a well entranched two party system. Here we had the Australian Democrats that gave it a very good go but they fell apart and now basically are non existant.
The Green parties can make inroads, if Al Gore for example split and set up a green movement he could get some momentum as it takes someone of his stature to achieve this.
Independent come and go, they have no real power or influence except over a few single issue agenda items.
Today will be interesting, if Clinton wins by less than 35 to 40 points thare has actually been a swing to Obama if she wins by more Obama is going to have to work very hard to win support in that Demographic. |
Obama has pretty much sewn up the Democratic nomination. Clinton may consider running independant, or she may be pushing for a spot as Vice President with Obama. Or maybe she is still in disbelief that the party that supported her so strongly has largely turned against her.
The true green party here pretty much shuns Al Gore as not being true to his words. His celebrity status would bring more attention to their party, but he just doesn't follow up with what he says.
This is JMO, but it almost feels like a dictatorship anymore with the two parties holding so much power, with no room for anyone else. And both parties have had so much corruption, it's hard to support either. I'd love a clean sweep, and a fresh start, even though I know this won't happen. Still considering my dog as a write-in candidate.......  |
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Posted: May 14, 2008 - 08:35 PM
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There are several reasons why Hillary shouldn't quit.
1. Obama could get sick or worse, dead.
2. He could also suffer an image destroying event. (like Wright or worse)
3. Many of her supporters don't want her to quit.
4. To set herself up for the next election in four years. (And that campaign might start in just a couple of years (or less).
5. It's her money she's spending. She's a one-woman boost to the economy.
6. I like her (Hey... my opinion counts too!) (.0000000000000000001 %or less).
7. She's a woman and she's setting an example to all future woman candidates that there is the potential to go all the way.
8. She keeps Obama on his tippy toes.
9. And the court of public opinion could sway on any given moment.
10. ____ (insert your reason here.) |
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 12:17 AM
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| Debb wrote: | There are several reasons why Hillary shouldn't quit.
1. Obama could get sick or worse, dead.
8. She keeps Obama on his tippy toes.
10. ____ (insert your reason here.) |
These are my favorites! I'm kinda worried about him crossing the road with a crazed bus driver, concerning reason #1. Hopefuly, he's eating his Wheaties so he won't get sick.
For #8, he could always take ballet classes.
I'd love to digitally insert a reason for numero tenor: Chekov doesn't want her to quit. Same goes for Khan. I saw a TV show and they inteviewed Fitty Cent and he said he's going to vote for Hillary, so there ya go! |
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 12:35 AM
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| 10: Denny Crane "wants" her in the Oval office. |
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 12:42 AM
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| Debb wrote: | | 10: Denny Crane "wants" her in the Oval office. |
 On the old desk will do enough |
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 06:14 AM
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Edwards endorsing Obama! Streaming live now at www.cbsnews.com
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 10:45 AM
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Edwards Endorsement is a hollow victory as he is not a Super Delegate so in fact has no vote, he may be granted Super Delegate status by the state committee and this is likely. He does however have 24 Delegates of hs own and now they may formally throw their support behind Obama as well with the blessing of their candidate.
Clinton did exactly as the polls indicated on Tuesday but her win was also minimal as she gaines only 12 Delegates in a week that Obama gained 24. Every day she is slipping further behind and the arguments sound more like desperation than fact. I do believe she has a very strong case to argue the VP Nomination and her lack of attacks on Obama are showing it has become a real option in her mind.
This contest would be very different today if Edwards had remained in the race longer, I think he should have remained until Super Tuesday, the three way contest would have provided a clearer break away leader in the votes than the two way one we have now. I have no idea who would be leading as I have no idea who Edwards attreacted.
Next week it will be another one each event with Obama winning the bigger state and more delegates overall. I will have a closer look at this one tonight. I am on busines in Sydney next week so I am not sure how closely I will be following things. |
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Posted: May 15, 2008 - 08:47 PM
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Clintons win on Tuesday was reported as a landslide and concern to Obama however lets check the facts, they seem a little thin on the ground at the moment.
Obama has won these states by a larger margin
Georgia
Columbia
Hawaii
Idaho
Kansas
Washington
Nebraska
Colorado
Alaska
Clinton won these states by more than her Tuesday Margin
Arkansas
So getting out there and trying to convince the Super Delegates she is the one is a little difficult when you push aside the retoric and spin.
Hey I am not saying she should not win I am just looking at the maths againand I had not noticed this before. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 09:41 PM
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Recently two of John McCain's lobbyist supporters resigned from his campaign almost immediately after news came to light that they had lobbied for the brutal military junta in Myanmar.
But that's only the tip of the iceberg. McCain has more than 100 lobbyists working for his campaign, at least ten of whom have represented foreign governments with abysmal human rights records.
I just signed a petition calling on McCain to fire three of the very worst lobbyists currently on his payroll -- I hope you will too.
Please have a look and take action.
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/mcc ... p;rc=paste |
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Posted: May 17, 2008 - 06:05 PM
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I have an idea. How about we take all the money that is wasted on elections, and give each person in the US a share. With that money, they could pick the best school for their children. As attendance in public schools falls off, they would be forced to either "get with the program", or be replaced with well run private schools. Education problem solved.
People could actually afford their doctor visits, meds, etc. We could possibly even afford to tell our insurance companies to go fish, and pick and choose which hospital. Again, the competition might cause the doctors/insurance co./etc. to get in line. Health problem solved.
We could all afford the best, most fuel efficient cars. Gas situation at least improved.
We could afford to eat better. Health and grocery situation improved.
Everyone could afford big screen TV's, which would cut down on war, crime, population growth, etc (everyone would be in front of their TV's, and who would care about anything else??) And without the TV's being full of ads for idiot candidates who do little but slander other candidates, there would be less urge to harm others, and do general mayhem.
Darn. I don't see why they haven't made me president......... at least I offer "real" solutions......... |
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Posted: May 17, 2008 - 08:09 PM
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I'll Vote For YA !!!!  |
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Posted: May 17, 2008 - 08:12 PM
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Posted: May 18, 2008 - 08:22 PM
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You could save a huge amount of money by having all of the Primaries on a single day, or better yet, do away with a President ahd have a Prime Minister like the UK and Australia, its a democracy after all isn't it.
Obama needs just 120 more Delegates now, getting very close. |
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