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 Posted: May 10, 2008 - 09:09 PM
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Looks like Obama is about to go in the lead on Super Delegate numbers as well now. Just one more required to jump ship from Clinton and he is in the lead.
She faught a gallant campaign, now she is starting to become. embarasing. |
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Posted: May 11, 2008 - 08:26 PM
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And into the front he goes on Super Delegates as well, 276 to 271.5.
Obama has picked up so many super delegates since tuesday even if Clinton does win by the landslide predicted on Tuesdays Primary she will still be int he same position, losing in all areas, Delegates, Super Delegates and States. |
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Post subject: my take on this whole political year
Posted: May 11, 2008 - 11:08 PM
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 06:50 AM
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 06:52 AM
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They hold the Democratic primaries in Oregon next Tuesday. I'm so sick of ads, news reports, and looking at the "smiling" faces of the two candidates I could upchuck.
I hope Hillary holds out till the bitter end, and then runs independant. It would be fun, and since they are all idiots, might as well have some fun.  |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 01:54 PM
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Lets see West Virginia, this one is an interesting one as it is a strong Clinton State but I expect the outcome will be a little closer than the 40 points lead she had a few days ago.
Not sure of the percentages but I expect she will get 17 Delegates to his 11 but the difference will be far less delegates that the Super Delegates he picked up since last Tuesday so it will make no difference.
Obama now has about the same number of Delegates remaining to secure the nomination that Clinton needs to catch up with him so she needs two delegates to every one he gets now.
Cat imagine the mess she would cause if she did as you suggest but the end result would be a Republican win and Obama running again in four years time without her to be found.
It now comes down to a simple test for Clinton, does she really believe in the message she has been telling everyone for the past year, if so bow out if she actually believes she somehow has a god given right to power then stay in. |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 04:22 PM
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Actually, your last paragraph pretty much sums it up for Hillary..... ; ) Yes, she does feel she has a God given right to the position, and no, she does not actually believe what she promises, any more than the rest of the candidates. It has been rumored that she may be vying for a place as Vice President with Obama.
I would still like to see her stay in, regardless of the mess. I guess I've become a cynic, but I am disgusted with all the candidates, and the whole political system. Again, focusing more on the two democratic candidates because they are still running (I figure there will be plenty of time to think about McCain's shortcomings after a democratic candidate is chosen), both have made promises they can't possibly keep. They promise to bring the troops home in a speedy fashion, but I'll believe that when I see it. Both have made the promise of funds that can't be accounted for, Obama even worse than Hillary. Obama has promised tens of billions of dollars in new programs, while promising to either eliminate or reduce taxes on most Americans. The difference will be made up by taxing big corporations, and the wealthy. Well, I've heard that from virtually every politician since I was a kid. However, short of enacting a flat tax, and a huge goon squad working to back-up the laws of the IRS, this won't happen. The "rich" have an army of accountants and attorneys working on ways to keep them from paying taxes, and this won't change. So, either the programs the politicians have promised are not going to happen, or the taxes will be levied, once again, against the poor and middle class.
The two parties have too much power. I'd love to see independent candidates. Maybe we'd even have a shot of getting someone who is honest and would actually keep some promises. My ultimate dream would be if everyone refused to vote for either party in November. Maybe we'd send the politicians a message that we are tired of more of the same old, same old, and I am convinced that no matter which of the three current candidates get in, that's what is going to happen. JMO. |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 08:08 PM
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| ASB wrote: | | And into the front he goes on Super Delegates as well, 276 to 271.5. |
This is like reading a horse race. "Around the second turn, it's O'bama's Mama pulling ahead of Bill's Shrill."
Oh, except a horse race can be exciting. I guess it wasn't a good comparison after all. |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 08:23 PM
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | | ASB wrote: | | And into the front he goes on Super Delegates as well, 276 to 271.5. |
This is like reading a horse race. "Around the second turn, it's O'bama's Mama pulling ahead of Bill's Shrill."
Oh, except a horse race can be exciting. I guess it wasn't a good comparison after all. |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 08:24 PM
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Cat before you get any Independent's first you need a preferential voting system. that way if the Independent and the two parties all got around the same vote the second choice could push the Independent over the line, obviously the major parties tend to put the Independent as the second choice rather than the other major.
If the US had Preferential voting in 2000 Al Gore would have won. |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 08:31 PM
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| ASB wrote: | Cat before you get any Independent's first you need a preferential voting system. that way if the Independent and the two parties all got around the same vote the second choice could push the Independent over the line, obviously the major parties tend to put the Independent as the second choice rather than the other major.
If the US had Preferential voting in 2000 Al Gore would have won. |
Okay, you're not going to convince me to want things to change by saying Al Gore would have won. I didn't want Bush, but I really didn't want Gore either. He's a bloated hypocrite who has shown by his actions that he cares nothing for the environment, but only for his own power and ego.
The way things stand now, an independent doesn't even stand a chance. They don't really get to participate in the debates, they don't have the huge sums of money to campaign, etc. The two parties completely control the system, which makes it an unfair monopoly. And I can't see that either party is different from the other; they both want power and are corrupt when they get it. Neither seems to have any real concept of what people need. No matter which party has the majority, all they do is fight and squabble amongst each other. It's a complete waste of time and money, and I'd personally love to see the majority of those in power booted out on their big ol' backsides. But it's not like I'm a cynic or anything....... |
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Posted: May 12, 2008 - 09:06 PM
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| ASB wrote: | | If the US had Preferential voting in 2000 Al Gore would have won. |
And if Australia had preferential treatment, the Joeys would rule the land and the Aussies would be playing second fiddle in the orchestra of life!
Why can't we just re-write history to what we'd like the outcome to have been??? The Joey's are in charge, just like Al Haig! |
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I agree with everything that Cat has said. I would skip voting this year all together but it chaps my hide to think that if I didn't vote for my party then one of those two Dems is going to get the nomination. Hillary may think she has the God given right, but at the same time as scary as she may be Obama scares me worse. There isn't a thing about that man that convinces me that he's got my best interests at heart. Not a blessed thing. And as for Hillary...same goes. At this point if Mr. Ed were running for president I'd vote for him and hoped he'd win by a nose! We're betting on the wrong horses this year.  Gawd! I wish that Thompson hadn't pooped out so early in the race! |
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Posted: May 13, 2008 - 11:28 AM
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Here is an interesting statistic, sometimes the story behind the polls is more interesting. West Virginia is a McCain state and he will most likely win in November there no mater who the Dems nomination is however consider this.
Clinton thrashes Obama in the Primary but the polls for McCain vs Clinton and McCain vs Obama show McCain beating Clinton by 6% and Obama by just 3%.
Now you have to ask the question why is it people believe Obama will get closer in November than Clinton when she has such a massive lead in the Primary Polls. It gets back to the question of who exactly is voting for Clinton and will her wins translate to a vote in November anyway.
I have a feeling the statistics back up the argument many Republican voters are voting for her in the Primaries to support the weaker delegate.
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Posted: May 13, 2008 - 03:39 PM
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| ASB wrote: | Here is an interesting statistic, sometimes the story behind the polls is more interesting. West Virginia is a McCain state and he will most likely win in November there no mater who the Dems nomination is however consider this.
Clinton thrashes Obama in the Primary but the polls for McCain vs Clinton and McCain vs Obama show McCain beating Clinton by 6% and Obama by just 3%.
Now you have to ask the question why is it people believe Obama will get closer in November than Clinton when she has such a massive lead in the Primary Polls. It gets back to the question of who exactly is voting for Clinton and will her wins translate to a vote in November anyway.
I have a feeling the statistics back up the argument many Republican voters are voting for her in the Primaries to support the weaker delegate.
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No, not really. In order to vote for Clinton in the primaries, a person who is "Republican" would have to reregister as a Democrat by a certain date. I can honestly say I don't know of a single person who has done this. There just happen to be people who honestly believe that Hillary would more accurately represent their interests as president than Obama. Hillary has usually scored better with "older" voters, and I don't think that they are all secretly Republicans who have reregistered. Part of this is the fact that they believe that Hillary would make a lot of the same choices as Bill, and that's what some people want. There just isn't a huge conspiracy going on here. It's not all about Democrats vs Republicans, and everyone frantically worrying about keeping one or the other parties out. Nor is it all about race or gender. Everyone that I have talked to is far more interested in the prices of gas, food, and other necessities than party lines. There is also concern over the environment, and the war in Iraq. These are the real issues that concern Americans. |
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