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 Posted: Apr 15, 2008 - 07:10 PM
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Not sure if its an allowed topic so I will let the powers that be delete this if they perfer but I have to say looking from the outside in the whole election process is just facinating, so much time and money over such a long period of time.
Must admit I am a bit of a political junkie so I do find this years election particularly interesting.
Oh in case you are wondering, polls in Australia have Aussies voting 75% in favour of Obama, I think people out of the US also want to see change. |
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Posted: Apr 15, 2008 - 07:31 PM
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In the past, Paul has told us not to discuss politics, but I think it was more because the discussions became "rather heated", then the actual topic itself. I could be wrong, but I think that perhaps if things remain polite, that it would be allowed.
I don't mind change, but I want change for the better. I feel that Obama is, like most politicans on both sides, out of touch with mainstream America. His leanings are too far socialist for my own tastes, and he has been linked to people who are very bigoted. If I were to choose between him and Hillary, I would probably vote for Hillary, although I don't feel she is really in touch with the average middleclass American either. All the candidates continue to make promises that are impossible to keep, so I find it difficult to take any of them seriously. I do not want to see more taxes and higher prices.
I don't really care for any of the current candidates. It's a shame, but it often works out that people end up voting against one candidate, rather than necessarily voting for anyone in particular. |
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Posted: Apr 15, 2008 - 09:43 PM
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Go Hilary Go!
or is that Go Habs Go?
Anyways, if I were American (and I'm not fer sure) I'd vote for the woman. |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 12:02 AM
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 02:00 AM
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I'll never figure out why so many people from other countries are so interested in U.S. elections. They have so much to say about our country's politicians, I wonder how they'd feel if we'd try to influence their elections.
When England elected Charlie Brown, my sole comment was, "Good Grief!" |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 03:43 AM
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| Debb wrote: | Go Hilary Go!
or is that Go Habs Go?
Anyways, if I were American (and I'm not fer sure) I'd vote for the woman. |
What if the woman had opposing political views to yours? Would you still vote for the woman? What if the candidate was a good-looking gal and kind of slutty? Like, doing things with cucumbers and ping-pong balls that you wouldn't necessarily condone. I think Canadians are O.K. with expressing their views on U.S. politics cuz you're close enough. You know, it's like you guys are the attic or we're like the 1st floor and you're the mezzanine. |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 04:27 AM
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That's because when the U S of A sneezes, Canada catches a cold.
Of course we're interested, we're stuck to you geographically and when Hillary and Obama start blowing smoke about NAFTA... well, we get stoned.
| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | I'll never figure out why so many people from other countries are so interested in U.S. elections. They have so much to say about our country's politicians, I wonder how they'd feel if we'd try to influence their elections.
When England elected Charlie Brown, my sole comment was, "Good Grief!" |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 04:46 AM
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| Debb wrote: | That's because when the U S of A sneezes, Canada catches a cold.
Of course we're interested, we're stuck to you geographically and when Hillary and Obama start blowing smoke about NAFTA... well, we get stoned. |
These politicians do blow...smoke. That's a good way to put it. The stuff they're doing in Pennsylvania has a lot of people heading to the bathroom with explosive diarrhea. It's just sickening, the way they try to relate to the working class. No one is buying it but it's like they can't stop it. |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 05:31 AM
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| Johnny_Turbo wrote: | I'll never figure out why so many people from other countries are so interested in U.S. elections. They have so much to say about our country's politicians, I wonder how they'd feel if we'd try to influence their elections.
When England elected Charlie Brown, my sole comment was, "Good Grief!" |
The US is a large country that can influence the tone and direction the worlds culture goes in, for example when the race for the moon was on everyone felt equally proud of the achievements, 9/11 saw everyone feel equally sad even though terrorist attacks in other countries largely go un-noticed. When the US is in financial melt down then others are taken along for the ride.
For these reasons we tend to watch what is happening and become involved as the results do have an impact on our lives.
On a foot note I also chat on a Japanese forum and they like the Aussies are very fond of Obama and to a lesser degree Hillary, the reason is the US has lost popularity in the World and these candidates are seen to be a posible turning point, there impact globaly tends to be what we see where as local issues are not so important.
On my ski forum the Primaries have been debated and discussed at length equally as much as the recent Australian elecction was, that Aussie election saw a massive swing that saw out with the old and in with the new, a feeling that seems to be occuring globally and not just in one or two countries.
Oh I also agree polatics can be discussed without becoming personal, everyone has a view and a sensible debate and discussion helps others at least understand those views even if they still don't agree, thats the beuty of a democracy with freedom of speach, we are allowed to respectfully disagree. |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 05:35 AM
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| /me just takes a wander through to make sure that this discussion stays about talking politics and doesn't become a bashing platform for candidates (or their supporters.) |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 06:09 AM
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| Paul wrote: | | /me just takes a wander through to make sure that this discussion stays about talking politics and doesn't become a bashing platform for candidates (or their supporters.) |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 07:43 AM
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 10:36 AM
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I say this with the most respect intended...but....
Change is great, but to me Obama is great at one thing. Talking. His actual stances scare the heck out of me, because he's talking about spending a whole ton of money and probably destroying the economy. And how he has dealt with this minister controversy showed me that, when the chips are down, he's just another dodging, smooth-talking politician.
He's a guy who squeaked into office against a scandal-plagued opponent, hasn't done anything noteworthy, and is so far left that he's not at all going to "bridge gaps" or work with the opposition.
I think voting for a gender for the sake of gender is the same as voting for race for the sake of race. I'd have as much issue with someone voting for someone because they are white as I would if they voted for someone because they are black....ditto for gender. Issues are what matters first and foremost.
And I think Obama and Clinton are about the same in their stances.
Sadly for me and a lot of people on the right, John McCain is no great shakes either....but I guess I'll hold my nose and go with the least of the evils  |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 01:02 PM
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| SMB wrote: | | Paul wrote: | | /me just takes a wander through to make sure that this discussion stays about talking politics and doesn't become a bashing platform for candidates (or their supporters.) |
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Hey, that only works for SOME poeople! |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 01:16 PM
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| Vote McCain because he has true character and actually believes in the overriding importance of our defense and national security. |
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