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 Posted: Nov 28, 2007 - 12:46 AM
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| SMB wrote: | Thank you for your imput Satin.
I wonder how many of us would be willing to go to the gas chambers because of our faith. I mean, what if Bin Laden ever managed to overcome the US government and then proceeded to declare anyone who is not Muslim is to be executed? (And, this is not an attack on the Muslims)
OK, I know it is a long shot, but I sometimes think we get too comfortable and think that we are invinceble. |
I have to admit that I've had scary thoughts about that, too. Except the means of death in my scenarios is crucifixion. The symbol that we revere would be our means of execution. I've thought about that alot after reading The Stand. |
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Posted: Nov 28, 2007 - 11:36 AM
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| BWW wrote: | I read Anne Frank's diary. This was my favourite bit...
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Posted: Nov 28, 2007 - 08:10 PM
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It bothers me sometimes when people think of other's religion in stereotypical ways. I have heard some Jewish folks say, "Don't blame us for killing your Jesus." The Jews did not kill Jesus, the Romans did for political reasons.
I think that in addition to understanding what he said given his heritage, we have to look at it in the light of the time he lived in. I always loved the fact that the first person who saw him after the resurrection, and who was the first to tell others, or "preach the gospel", was a woman. So much for those who say women have no place in the ministry.  And I am bothered by those who use some of what Paul said to demean womens place in the church. At that time, women weren't given the same teachings as men, so that often during a service they would have questions. Paul thought it disruptive if people were asking questions during the service, so he advised women to wait until later to ask the questions of their husbands. How many times have people used this to insinuate that women should keep their pie holes quiet. I think Paul would be horrified to know that his teachings were taken so out of context! " quote
You should source some suitably qualified information on the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls, including the missing Disciples books. One of which was written by a woman disciple called Ruth (I think that was her name) who is actually now thought to have been the person Jesus might have wanted to take on his ministry. Although the "established" roman catholic church has always denied this and continues to do so.
You also need to look into the various Councils of Church meetings which took place but some of the important dates are from 304AD and 500AD. One famous one took place in Constantoble. It was at these that the form of the roman catholic church was formalised, even down to what priests could and couldn't wear, how to consolidate power and wealth within the priesthood. They decided to exclude the "missing" disciples book, remove references to Jesus' female disciples and put the anti-female spin on woman based on an interpretation of Peter's words. Given the context of the time period, there were very few communities who gave women power and most notibly horrified with the concept were the Romans !! So the mindset of those who had grown up in an enviorment which had historically fallen under the Roman Empire has to be questioned.
Good luck with the research.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2007 - 11:24 AM
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| Hart wrote: | [quote="
It bothers me sometimes when people think of other's religion in stereotypical ways. I have heard some Jewish folks say, "Don't blame us for killing your Jesus." The Jews did not kill Jesus, the Romans did for political reasons.
I think that in addition to understanding what he said given his heritage, we have to look at it in the light of the time he lived in. I always loved the fact that the first person who saw him after the resurrection, and who was the first to tell others, or "preach the gospel", was a woman. So much for those who say women have no place in the ministry. And I am bothered by those who use some of what Paul said to demean womens place in the church. At that time, women weren't given the same teachings as men, so that often during a service they would have questions. Paul thought it disruptive if people were asking questions during the service, so he advised women to wait until later to ask the questions of their husbands. How many times have people used this to insinuate that women should keep their pie holes quiet. I think Paul would be horrified to know that his teachings were taken so out of context! " quote
You should source some suitably qualified information on the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls, including the missing Disciples books. One of which was written by a woman disciple called Ruth (I think that was her name) who is actually now thought to have been the person Jesus might have wanted to take on his ministry. Although the "established" roman catholic church has always denied this and continues to do so.
You also need to look into the various Councils of Church meetings which took place but some of the important dates are from 304AD and 500AD. One famous one took place in Constantoble. It was at these that the form of the roman catholic church was formalised, even down to what priests could and couldn't wear, how to consolidate power and wealth within the priesthood. They decided to exclude the "missing" disciples book, remove references to Jesus' female disciples and put the anti-female spin on woman based on an interpretation of Peter's words. Given the context of the time period, there were very few communities who gave women power and most notibly horrified with the concept were the Romans !! So the mindset of those who had grown up in an enviorment which had historically fallen under the Roman Empire has to be questioned.
Good luck with the research.
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Fascinating Hart!
I too, have heard of the "questions asked in church disrupting the service". Indeed, I heard that the men and women sat on opposite sides of the church, and so to ask a question, one would have to shout across the room even.
It's funny to, b/c these days *everyone* is supposed to be quiet in church. Not just the gals.
In reading some of his interactions with women (Mary M. amongst others) I must say that I don't see him really playing favorites one way or the other between the sexes. Heck, what about the women at the well?! She wasn't even in the same culture group! It wouldn't surprise me at all to have women disciples, he did have a fairly large following. Much more than the 12 if I recall correctly. |
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