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Post subject: UF Student Asks Kerry A Question...
 Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 07:07 AM
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 07:30 AM
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As his question was about a "secret society" club, it sounded a lot like a conspiracy theory. So I understand that nobody was interested in his question. Plus, that wasn't even the end of his stand up there, he was going to keep going. In this sort of setting, you get up, ask your question, and sit down. You don't hog the mike from other people like he was trying to do. (hence the cheering as he was escorted away from the mike)
He did resist the escorting away from the mike, and made another run for it half way down. So to be honest, had he just calmly walked off nothing would've happened. He was still struggling once they forced him to the ground too.
And when they finally tazered him, he screamed about it for several seconds *after* they tazered him, you can hear him trying to work up the energy for the next scream to make it convincing. Toddlers do it all the time, but he's a bit old for such grandstanding. 
I'm all for asking why Kerry gave up the '04 election so easily, but trying to tie a conspiracy theory to it totally undermines the question. IMHO.
And then hogging the mike like that to try to make some sort of political point was totally rude. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 10:03 AM
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| Considering tazing has been linked with heart problems and even death, I think it's use should be limited to life threatening situations where the police or general public are in danger. To use a tazer during a silly Q&A just seems really overblown. JMO |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 11:33 AM
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This incident really isn't much different than someone bullying into any kind of gathering. If some unmovable loudmouth came into my building and tried to hijack the peaceful protocol, I'd be glad to have police with tasers to remove the obnoxious exploit.
The UF-hosted speech wasn't any one student's party to poop. The instigator showed that he wouldn't desist and exit under anything but physical force. He isn't being censored or suppressed; he could freely go out onto public property and rant to any media who'd listen.
This wasn't a case of taking an insurgent into the back room to beat with a rubber hose. Everyone knew there were numerous video cameras in the UF auditorium. Now local police resources are being consumed to defuse the student's premeditated sensationalism before a hyper-PC public.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 12:46 PM
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 02:42 PM
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| That kid was being a total, disrespectful and non-articulate jerk. I could barely make out what he was saying. He never stopped long enough to get an answer from Mr. Kerry. He just kept blabbering on and on. Instead of tazzering, I would have gotten out a paddle and wacked his butt like the spoiled kid he was acting like. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 02:49 PM
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And does that police department make a habit of killing their prisoners? 
He wasn't very good at trying to make a point. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 06:04 PM
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Incredible! I mean the guy was long-winded, but the security people moved in before he'd got his first question out!
To be tasered for asking what I thought were fairly good questions is just assault, I would think. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 06:48 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | Incredible! I mean the guy was long-winded, but the security people moved in before he'd got his first question out!
To be tasered for asking what I thought were fairly good questions is just assault, I would think. |
The question was why didn't he get his question out before making a long winded speech? The funny thing was no one came to his aid when he was crying out like a baby. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 06:56 PM
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| Mirizor wrote: | | greenchick wrote: | Incredible! I mean the guy was long-winded, but the security people moved in before he'd got his first question out!
To be tasered for asking what I thought were fairly good questions is just assault, I would think. |
The question was why didn't he get his question out before making a long winded speech? The funny thing was no one came to his aid when he was crying out like a baby. |
Actually, he was on his 3rd question I believe. He wanted to finish asking and talking about it to inform everyone else there before letting Kerry talk. It was like Chris Matthews in Hardball. Crazy, spitfire questions, but at least Chris lets them talk and get everything out in the open.
-Caitlin |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 07:10 PM
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From the Gainesville Sun...
Police: Meyer calmer off camera
By ALICE WALLACE, Sun staff writer, 12:49 am, September 19, 2007
University of Florida student Andrew Meyer reportedly told police "you didn't do anything wrong" during his ride to jail after he was Tasered and arrested during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry on Monday afternoon.
A 12-page incident report was released by the University of Florida Police Department on Tuesday and gave accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon.
Officer Nicole Mallo, who was the officer who actually Tasered Meyer, writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.
"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.
Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said he told them during the ride:
"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.
Mallo also wrote in her report that he was "laughing and being lighthearted in the car, his demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight."
She said Meyer also asked if cameras would be present at the jail.
King and Mallo were placed on paid leave pending and investigation into the matter, said UF spokesman Steve Orlando Tuesday afternoon.
The incident report details the events leading up to Meyer's arrest, saying that Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed during the forum.
Meyer continued down the aisle toward Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours.
Though Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police report that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, asking why Kerry was not in support of impeaching President Bush when President Bill Clinton was impeached over a sexual act.
At that point, the officers on scene reported that an Accent director, Max Tyroler, turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying "he had said enough," according to Mallo's report.
Officers then tried to remove Meyer from the room, but Meyer flailed his arms and resisted violently.
One officer, Pable DeJesus Jr., reported that he pulled out his Taser and pointed it at Meyer while Meyer was flailing up and down the aisle, but DeJesus' supervisor, Sgt. Eddie King, shook his head to indicate DeJesus should put the Taser away.
Reports differ about whether King purposely wrestled Meyer to the ground, or whether they fell during the scuffle, but once on the ground, a total of six officers tried to restrain Meyer so he could be handcuffed. Officer DeJesus was able to get a handcuff around Meyer's right wrist, but he could not handcuff Meyer's left arm because of Meyer's "erratic flailing."
King tried to Taser Meyer on his chest, but he reported that his Taser would not deploy. He then instructed Mallo to Taser Meyer, and she Tasered him on his left shoulder, according to her report.
The officers were then able to fully handcuff Meyer and escort him from the building. Each of the six officers reported that Meyer yelled things like "They're going to kill me" and "They are giving me to the government," while he was being taken from the room.
An additional officer was called to the scene to transport Meyer from the auditorium to the jail with Mallo.
http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/2 ... /1007/NEWS
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 07:47 PM
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| I don't know if the taser was necessary but I do agree with arresting him... and by him telling them that he would leave and fighting the police after they had already tackled him and were handcuffing him... he was resisting arrest... he only made his case worse... taser or not... he deserved to be punished for his actions. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 09:34 PM
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| Mirizor wrote: | | greenchick wrote: | Incredible! I mean the guy was long-winded, but the security people moved in before he'd got his first question out!
To be tasered for asking what I thought were fairly good questions is just assault, I would think. |
The question was why didn't he get his question out before making a long winded speech? The funny thing was no one came to his aid when he was crying out like a baby. |
You think that's funny? I thought it was sad! |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 09:36 PM
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| Seamus wrote: | | I don't know if the taser was necessary but I do agree with arresting him... and by him telling them that he would leave and fighting the police after they had already tackled him and were handcuffing him... he was resisting arrest... he only made his case worse... taser or not... he deserved to be punished for his actions. |
Punished for his actions?? This was an open forum, you can be arrested for asking the wrong questions now?? |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2007 - 09:53 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | | Seamus wrote: | | I don't know if the taser was necessary but I do agree with arresting him... and by him telling them that he would leave and fighting the police after they had already tackled him and were handcuffing him... he was resisting arrest... he only made his case worse... taser or not... he deserved to be punished for his actions. |
Punished for his actions?? This was an open forum, you can be arrested for asking the wrong questions now?? |
I am not saying that he should be punished for asking questions, what I am say is that he purposefully went against the protocol of the forum and when he was asked by officials to step away from the mic he refused, further breaching protocol and when police finally decided to escort him out he fought them causing them to decide to arrest him. Ignoring authority in this instance was definitely not the right course of action. The only course of action for the police once he started resisting was to arrest him. |
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