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Post subject: Police 'suspect Madeleine mother'
 Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 02:59 PM
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Portuguese police believe the mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann is involved in her death, a family spokeswoman has said.
Justine McGuinness said officers believed that traces of Madeleine's blood were in the McCanns' car, hired 25 days after she vanished.
Earlier, Kate McCann arrived for her second police interview in 24 hours. She has been declared a suspect, or "arguida", by police. Ms McGuinness described the claims as "ludicrous".
The "suspect" status will allow the authorities to put certain questions to her, and also gives her the right to remain silent. The couple vehemently deny any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance on 3 May.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983604.stm
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 03:03 PM
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 03:10 PM
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| Cat wrote: | You know, I don't want to say "I told you so" to anyone, but I did.
The stories that the parents gave, and the way they acted just didn't jive with reality.
My sympathies and prayers for that poor little girl. 
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For the last couple of weeks, the news has said the police " do not consider them as suspects", now that seems to have changed. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 03:23 PM
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| britstarfan wrote: | | Cat wrote: | You know, I don't want to say "I told you so" to anyone, but I did.
The stories that the parents gave, and the way they acted just didn't jive with reality.
My sympathies and prayers for that poor little girl.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070907/ap_ ... ssing_girl |
For the last couple of weeks, the news has said the police " do not consider them as suspects", now that seems to have changed. |
Unfortunately, I've seen enough cases over here where children have been killed by the parents, and the pattern just seemed way too close. I can't understand how you could kill your own children, or that if it happened by accident, you could live with trying to cover it up. People are just too darn cold anymore. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 03:48 PM
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| I really hope they are wrong, but like Cat just said, I've seen simular cases where the worst you could imagine had happend. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 04:26 PM
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 Poor little baby. Rest with the angels, sweetheart. I feared that this was the case. Too sad my fears were confirmed. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 05:16 PM
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| It's my understanding that they have to name someone as "suspect" before they can question them in a certain way. I'm waiting until there is a solid case against this poor woman before rushing to judge on a few lurid tabloid headlines. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 05:56 PM
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How is arguido status given and what does it mean?
Under Portuguese law either the police or a person being questioned can request that they be formally named as a suspect, a process called arguido.
Artur Rego, a Portuguese lawyer, told BBC News: "Arguido is the person who has been accused of being the perpetrator.
"This is just an accusation made exactly at the end of the investigation."
A person can ask for arguido status if they feel the line of questioning is implying that they are a suspect. This gives them more rights than a witness would have.
What rights does an arguido have?
Arguido status gives a range of legal protections, such as the right to remain silent and the right to a lawyer during questioning.
Mr Rego said: "Sometimes when they [the police] suspect someone, they call that person in as a witness.
"They don't constitute him as arguido and they extract as much information from him as they can, because as a witness he cannot refuse to collaborate with the police. "Now the moment he is constituted as arguido, as the defendant, then he can not only refuse to answer questions because they can incriminate him, but also he has the right to be accompanied in the questionings by his own solicitor."
Once someone is an arguido they can be arrested, but only if there is sufficient evidence.
What action can the courts take against an arguido?
The police can use their powers to bring the suspect before a judge to ask for restrictions to be imposed on their movements.
If they do, they could be banned from leaving their house or the area, or held in custody while the case continues.
In this case, the suspect is not subject to a judge's order, but has signed an identity and residence statement.
It prevents the person moving house or leaving the country. If they stay anywhere other than their given place of residence for more than five days they have to notify police. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 09:34 PM
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| I suppose it depends on your view of human nature. The Portugese police are basing their suspicions on the fact that blood was supposedly found in a hire car that the McCanns hired 25 days after Madeleine's disappearance. The idea that a mother could kill her child then keep the body hidden for that long and then move the body somewhere is just unbelievable to me. Then to have that whole campagin, to actually meet the Pope all the time knowing you had killed your child, either they are a pair of psychopaths or there is some mistake...I mean, I know it doesn't mean they were better parents, but they had to go through IVF to conceive a child...you would think that at the very least, it was an informed dcision, I know how tortuous that process is! |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 01:57 AM
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| Cat wrote: | You know, I don't want to say "I told you so" to anyone, but I did.
The stories that the parents gave, and the way they acted just didn't jive with reality.
My sympathies and prayers for that poor little girl.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070907/ap_ ... l_missing_
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Cat I thought of you when I viewed this sad situation on TV this morning...you saw what no one else saw...I just pray this doesn't turn out like Aruba, or like the case of little JonBenet of Colorado, who's parents were suspect...and other cases that never reached a solid conclusion of what really happened and who the guilty ones are. |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 08:00 PM
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| Message boards, pubs and offices are full of people whose only information on this case comes from the press. Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahaf himself couldn't do a better job. |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 11:53 PM
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| I feel sorry for those whose distrust of the human race is such that they leap to believe the worst without evidence. The whole premise of this case is ludicrous. You couldn't keep a body in Portugal for 25 days and have it in a state to transport in a hire car. The Portuguese police have been totally incompetent and are trying to save face, even offering Kate McCann a plea bargain if she admitted to killing her daughter. |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2007 - 01:10 AM
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It is standard to blame the parents.
However one doesnt bleed when given sleeping tablet does one.
This case is like our Azaria Chamberlain.
Now there is a story that devided the nation
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Posted: Sep 09, 2007 - 03:57 PM
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My sympathy and pity is for the little girl.
And I also feel sorry for anyone who would choose to classify an entire police force of a nation as incompetent. What an immense amount of distrust of the human race that would be, and so very judgemental. So sad really. |
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Posted: Sep 09, 2007 - 08:33 PM
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| Not the entire police force, just the ones who did not collect DNA samples from the floor of the appartment until it had been washed three times and who completely wasted the "golden hour" after Madeleine was reported missing. |
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