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 Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 06:14 PM
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| We're getting way off base here. The article that Morgram put down was about a child molester and killer. Those beings cannot be rehabilitated. They cannot be allowed back out into society and we don't have the means to incarcerate them for the rest of their lives. Overcrowding and funds are limited. They are in every town, every city. You can look on a map at my town and see dots where they're at. Residing in my own neighborhood. They are registered sex offenders. When we first moved to this town a little girl had been molested, killed, and dumped into a dumpster like so much refuse behind the local drugstore. Tell me again why these people should have mercy. I'm just not seeing the reason why. They're monstrous. They always will be. They are the boogyman in the dark of night. They are beyond redemption. They need to be exterminated. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 06:21 PM
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| I just hope that in our zeal to get rid of these "monsters" (pedophiles and the like) we don't become monsters ourselves. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 06:22 PM
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In fact some might say that the Death Penalty is actually preferred over life in prison. Some people would rather die than to be incarcerated for life... that is why there are some that are on constant suicide watch...
I say to cure some of that over crowding that we have in our prisons, we let those who are on suicide watch do what they well...
Call it Natural Selection if you will...
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 07:22 PM
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| Mirizor wrote: | | I just hope that in our zeal to get rid of these "monsters" (pedophiles and the like) we don't become monsters ourselves. |
It may also be true that a constant over-examination of OUR motives to the point of impotency to take ANY SORT of action is dangerous. Monsters ourselves? Your question presupposes that society`s motive in executing criminals is revenge when the truth is THAT IT IS NECESSARY to set an irrevocable example as the price of monstrous and intolerable human behavior. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 07:27 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | Mirizor wrote: | | I just hope that in our zeal to get rid of these "monsters" (pedophiles and the like) we don't become monsters ourselves. |
It may also be true that a constant over-examination of OUR motives to the point of impotency to take ANY SORT of action is dangerous. Monsters ourselves? Your question presupposes that society`s motive in executing criminals is revenge when the truth is THAT IT IS NECESSARY to set an irrevocable example as the price of monstrous and intolerable human behavior. |
...and that example OUGHT to be an expedicious one when currently it is not. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 07:45 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | morgram wrote: | | Mirizor wrote: | | I just hope that in our zeal to get rid of these "monsters" (pedophiles and the like) we don't become monsters ourselves. |
It may also be true that a constant over-examination of OUR motives to the point of impotency to take ANY SORT of action is dangerous. Monsters ourselves? Your question presupposes that society`s motive in executing criminals is revenge when the truth is THAT IT IS NECESSARY to set an irrevocable example as the price of monstrous and intolerable human behavior. |
...and that example OUGHT to be an expedicious one when currently it is not. |
No Morgram. I am trying to see this issue without emotional baggage. As a matter of fact, I was molested when I was a very young girl. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 08:39 PM
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| There is no holiday for a child sex offender who gets locked up; even the worst criminals can't stand them hence, believe in the death penalty. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 10:35 PM
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| DOC wrote: | | There is no holiday for a child sex offender who gets locked up; even the worst criminals can't stand them hence, believe in the death penalty. |
and your statement presupposes that those of us who support capital punishment want criminals to suffer. The level of suffering the guilty endure we must leave to God. You also suppose that most criminals will view death an an easy out as opposed to life inprisonment. That is hardly the prevailing mindset among criminals. |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 02:00 AM
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| I understand that a child molester or murderer may be killed in jail by their fellow inmates that as bad as they can be do not tolerate anyone who harms children in any way. That seems to be a big no no. |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 08:01 AM
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I always have an emotional reaction to capital punishment. Don't think for one moment that if I came across somebody doing something unspeakable to a child I wouldn't be tempted to blow them away. That's different though, that's in the heat of the moment and my actions would save a child's life. What I object to, and shall to my dying day, is the cold, calculating taking of a life. The idea that the cost of keeping somebody in jail is more important than a human life. The idea that a system is so infallible that we can trust it in matters of life and death, I've seen many programmes over here on your system, you must have seen many more, so I can't imagine you would trust it to be omniscient. The fact that the system is biased against certain sections of society.
I couldn't bear to live in a society that has so little compassion that the only solution for its least worthy citizens is to put them down, like so many dogs. |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 12:15 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | DOC wrote: | | There is no holiday for a child sex offender who gets locked up; even the worst criminals can't stand them hence, believe in the death penalty. |
and your statement presupposes that those of us who support capital punishment want criminals to suffer. The level of suffering the guilty endure we must leave to God. You also suppose that most criminals will view death an an easy out as opposed to life inprisonment. That is hardly the prevailing mindset among criminals. |
Morgram - stop assuming Gods position; Nobody knows  |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 02:05 PM
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| I say what I say. It is necessary to set, I repeat, a strong irrevocable example that there are some acts of violent evil depravity that human society CANNOT and WILL NOT tolerate; to that end: forfeiture of life. Many imply that it is barbaric and uncivilized for the state to commit murder. Many old testament passages counter that perception and, like it or not, many millions of people STILL believe in those millennia-established moral guideposts, THE REASON that modern society`s decision to veer away from executions IS a mistake IS because in the long run it encourages evil...and criminals. What THEY (criminals) see is society`s lack of resolve to adequately punish certain kinds of abhorent despicable crimes....and that is an encouragement to them. It is ironically the criminal who RECOGNIZES that society is inhibiting itself by a failure of resolve to deal properly with more abhorent criminal acts. When a combatant detects a chink in his adversary`s armor he moves to exploit it to the max if he can. That is what criminals in america are doing, especially sex offenders. |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 02:46 PM
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 03:31 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_dea ... _worldwide
This site lists the countries that still have the death penalty, who has abolished it, and under what circumstances it can be used if it is legal in each country.
I found it quite interesting.
And just a quick note on another poster's comment ~ people who have more money are more apt to retain better counsel, and therefore escape punishment for their crime, or at least get a lesser sentence. I believe this to be true in all countries. It has little to do with race in the US. Anyone remember OJ???  |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2007 - 04:20 PM
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| Also I'd imagine that the people who've lost their children to such crimes are extremely emotional when the time comes for the perpetrator to be put to death. Don't think that it's all cold-blooded when you're seeing the demise of a stone-cold killer. You're feeling grief over the one you lost, you're feeling guilt for the way you feel about being relieved that the bastard is going to die because hey you've got a conscience, right? And you feel fierce satisfaction and wished you could have done it yourself. Human frailties, to be sure. But then again, think of the satisfaction that the beast had in snuffing out a wee one's life. How disgusting is that? Cockroaches, every one of them. |
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