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Post subject: WHY the civilized world MUST have capital punishment
 Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 08:15 PM
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7-Year-Old Taken From Mass. Home Slain
WEYMOUTH, Mass. - The body of a 7-year-old girl taken from a relative's home in the middle of the night was found early Sunday in the car of a homeless man, who was charged with murder.
Police said Ryan Bois took the girl after she was dropped off at the home for a sleep-over.
Officers said they tried to stop Bois for driving erratically, but he tried to flee and crashed the car into a taxi. He tried to escape on foot but was caught by a police dog, authorities said.
Bois, 20, was arrested on motor vehicle charges and accused of threatening a police officer with a knife. A murder charge was added after the girl's body was found in the back seat of his car, authorities said.
Bois, who is homeless, may have some familial relationship with the girl's family, said David Traub, a spokesman for Norfolk County District Attorney William Keating.
Investigators said the girl suffered trauma but they wouldn't give details pending an investigation by the medical examiner's office. Her name was not released.
Bois' arraignment was set for Monday. |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 09:29 PM
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Location: I destroy my enemy when I make him my friend.--Abraham Lincoln
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| Send him to Singapore to be cained, then to Chinese prison to be beaten to death by inmates. |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 09:35 PM
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| SMB wrote: | | Send him to Singapore to be cained, then to Chinese prison to be beaten to death by inmates. |
or washing him in a luxurious bath with white phosphorus bath salts. LOL |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 09:40 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | Send him to Singapore to be cained, then to Chinese prison to be beaten to death by inmates. |
or washing him in a luxurious bath with white phosphorus bath salts. LOL |
Sounds even better.    |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 10:30 PM
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There's an oxymoron at the heart of this thread. No civilised society does have capital punishment. Your country has capital punishment yet has a higher rate of murder than most other countries. In fact, your system has barbarities at its heart. I was reading an article yesterday about young people convicted of crimes under the age of 18 in the Us. They are sentenced to life without parole. One girl was convicted solely on the testimony of a boy who had been promised a lesser sentence if he testified against her. No physical evidence whatsoever. He got 20 years, she got life with no parole at the age of 17. She has not been allowed to do any educational courses because the governor of the prison has told her she won't ever be getting out so what's the point of educating her. The only other countries who do this are Saudi Arabia and Somalia.
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 10:35 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | There's an oxymoron at the heart of this thread. No civilised society does have capital punishment. Your country has capital punishment yet has a higher rate of murder than most other countries. In fact, your system has barbarities at its heart. I was reading an article yesterday about young people convicted of crimes under the age of 18 in the Us. They are sentenced to life without parole. One girl was convicted solely on the testimony of a boy who had been promised a lesser sentence if he testified against her. No physical evidence whatsoever. He got 20 years, she got life with no parole at the age of 17. She has not been allowed to do any educational courses because the governor of the prison has told her she won't ever be getting out so what's the point of educating her. The only other countries who do this are Saudi Arabia and Somalia.
The measure of the humanity of a society is how they deal with those least deserving of sympathy. |
Maybe your country doesn't have habitual criminals. I don't know. And if it does, what does the criminal justice system do with them? |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 10:41 PM
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If they are deemed impossible to rehabilitate, they are locked away forever. there are very few of this category of prisoner, maybe 25 - 30 in the whole prison system.
The point is though, that having the death penalty does not seem to protect one single child. I have been to the States, stayed with an American family when my children were small and the paranoia surrounding child raising was truly frightening. Their children were not allowed the simple freedoms ours took for granted. It really did not seem that the death penalty made anyone feel one iota safer.
It's not just that I am totally idealogically opposed to the State taking life, it's just that it doesn't work. Examine the murder rates in the countries that have the death penalty and those that don't... |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 10:55 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | If they are deemed impossible to rehabilitate, they are locked away forever. there are very few of this category of prisoner, maybe 25 - 30 in the whole prison system.
The point is though, that having the death penalty does not seem to protect one single child. I have been to the States, stayed with an American family when my children were small and the paranoia surrounding child raising was truly frightening. Their children were not allowed the simple freedoms ours took for granted. It really did not seem that the death penalty made anyone feel one iota safer.
It's not just that I am totally idealogically opposed to the State taking life, it's just that it doesn't work. Examine the murder rates in the countries that have the death penalty and those that don't... |
It's funny that China has executed ones who haven't committed murder. Take for instance....
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/81050.html
Has the death penalty not work there either? I'm just a bit confused.
Btw, don't tell the Chinese that they aren't civilized.  |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 11:20 PM
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| Any country that executes prisoners denies the possibility of human redemption and condones murder, in my very own humble opinion. I will leave you to judge whether those countries are behaving in a civilised manner! |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 11:22 PM
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| greenchick wrote: | | Any country that executes prisoners denies the possibility of human redemption and condones murder, in my very own humble opinion. I will leave you to judge whether those countries are behaving in a civilised manner! |
And I am going to leave the judging of those other countries to the Higher Authority thank you. |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 11:29 PM
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Pedophiles should be put to death, period, GC. Your own country has had a rash lately of people kidnapping, raping, and killing kids. Or did you so easily forget that? What about that man and woman that kidnapped those two young girls together before killing them?
You can't cure them. The only thing to do, the right thing to do, is kill them. They're not human. Hurt a child, die, period. |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2007 - 11:36 PM
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| There is no cure. The sexual torture and death of a child is the worst crime ever. No one will ever hear me saying that a perpetrator of this crime deserves mercy and clemency. Never. Even being the good Catholic that I am. The death penalty is a necessary evil. I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a saint and I leave the saintly attitude to God who ultimately will be judging in the end. Whether it's my soul or the one who committed the evil deed. All are accountable in the end, but for now, men are meant to judge and punish in God's stead. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 12:06 AM
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| greenchick wrote: | | Any country that executes prisoners denies the possibility of human redemption and condones murder, in my very own humble opinion. I will leave you to judge whether those countries are behaving in a civilised manner! |
greenchick, I respect your opinions but you are wrong. Capital punishment is not murder because of passages in the old testament saying that execution is permissable to God. For capital punishment TO BE murder it would have to be contrary to God`s will. Many old testament passages indicate that is not the case. The reason that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to violent crime is because of the infrequency of it`s implementation. Obviously, if you sentence someone to death AND THEN let them sit on death row for years and in most cases decades, that is not going to have much of a deterrent effect on anything. Executions must be sure and swift for effect! |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 08:31 AM
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We can't base our laws upon the Old Testament or we would still be stoning adulterers.
We haven't had a "rash" of child killings, thank the Lord. There is the dreadful case of Madeleine McCann but apart from that the statistics are pretty stable year on year.
It's an accepted belief that it's not the potential punishment that deters but the odds of being caught. So a sentence of 30 years with a near certainty of being caught is a more effective deterrent than the death penalty with a 10% chance of being caught.
Do you really believe that being locked up for the rest of your life within a prison population that longs to cut your throat is neither a punishment nor a deterrent? It would certainly deter me!
There are still so many miscarriages of justice that the death penalty is a gamble too far. Which of your states was it that had some law students check out death row cases and found the huge majority were flawed? So much so that the governor of that state commuted every single sentence of death to life!
As it is, in the US, if you are a black person who kills a white you are far more likely to be given the death penalty than the other way round. Plus you are less likely to be able to afford decent legal representation. When was the last time a rich white kid was murdered by the State? |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2007 - 05:46 PM
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| Justice is not supposed to be defined by racial considerations. Why do you assume, greenchick, that all aspects of old testament law are inapplicable to modern society? Nevertheless, my point stands. Almighty God is the ultimate arbiter of ALL THINGS and that certainly includes the final disposition of human life; whether it is to be preserved or destroyed. Old testament passages authorize human society to execute criminals in certain instances. Example, in old testament days the penalty for raping a virgin was death. You can bet your boots that was certainly discouraging to prospective rapists. |
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