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Post subject: LEAVE
 Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 01:11 AM
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*Debate in Australia... This is true and can be checked at:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp *
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a
crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard,
hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a
country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is
not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said
those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other
country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that
Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off.
Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want,
to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can
basically clear off", he said. Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we
have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have
recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.
And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own
language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society .. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of
our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with
us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow
you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 01:53 AM
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Cant recall this long statement , I watch a lot of news. however I know this is Howards feeling on the subject.
as usual it is the few radicals that cause this problem.
when you think of the hell on earth these mothers and children have fled from.
Hey whats not to like in the greatest country in the world  
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 02:24 AM
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Yeah...it was sent to me...
I was kinda Shocked, but allot of the points are very Valid. I think people have been numbed to seeing truth and afraid to speak it.... |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 11:05 AM
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Even though it makes me sound like a bigot, I have to agree with the sentiment. In the US, we are faced with similar issues, although it seems to be more of an illegal alien problem.
My former supervisor at work legally emigrated from Costa Rica in the 70's. He did not complain about how the US was different from his birthplace. In fact, he was quite intolerant of those who demanded that change was necessary to pacify a small group.
I have no problem with someone coming to my area from another country, and they should have the freedom to practice their religion WITHIN the LAWS of my country. However, if they preach something contradictory to those laws, they should face prosecution and/or deportation. They should be treated no different than any other criminal once a law is broken. Maybe they suffered persecution in their former lands. This does not give them a free ticket to break a law. |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 03:47 PM
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| Yeah! Way to go Australia! Our nation could use that kind of backbone now! I'm very impressed! |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 04:40 PM
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| daisydownunder wrote: | Cant recall this long statement , I watch a lot of news. however I know this is Howards feeling on the subject.
as usual it is the few radicals that cause this problem.
when you think of the hell on earth these mothers and children have fled from.
Hey whats not to like in the greatest country in the world
Daisy |
Australia is the 3rd greatest country in the world behind Great Britain. Only ONE COUNTRY holds title to the greatest country in the world.  |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 05:02 PM
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The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 05:03 PM
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| I always liked Australia. |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 05:45 PM
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I agree Prof., but I think the Natives aren't complaining about any Christian symbols or trying to force for acceptance of their Native tongue on Political writs (though maybe they should)....actually they need to have a Sovereign Right to be an Independant Nation within....like it was Supposed to be here...
It has always saddened me that the Aboriginals, and the Natives of Hawaii, have been in forced assimilation for all these years....did no one learn from the Past?  |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 06:37 PM
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| SMB wrote: | The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
Yeah well, we backward european types have conquered space, brought about flight and created modern technology in general. Don`t be so jealous. We`ve never objected to be beneficent toward others. |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 - 06:56 PM
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Location: "It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem."~ G.K.C
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| morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
Yeah well, we backward european types have conquered space, brought about flight and created modern technology in general. Don`t be so jealous. We`ve never objected to be beneficent toward others. |
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| DOC wrote: | | morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
Yeah well, we backward european types have conquered space, brought about flight and created modern technology in general. Don`t be so jealous. We`ve never objected to be beneficent toward others. |
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| morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
Yeah well, we backward european types have conquered space, brought about flight and created modern technology in general. Don`t be so jealous. We`ve never objected to be beneficent toward others. |
Not all of those Euro-inventers were necesarily "white."  |
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| morgram wrote: | | DOC wrote: | | morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | The only problem I see is that the Native Australians are going through the same problems as the Native peoples of America. They are being squeezed out by the Europeans who think they are superior to all other races.
Sorry for throwing water on this, but the natives were there far before the first Brit ever showed up there.
If they really want to be secular and include all Australians, then they need to make room for their oldest residents who were not necesarily Christian, or at least not by European standards, which is a bit biased to say the least. There are other liturgies other than European liturgies. |
Yeah well, we backward european types have conquered space, brought about flight and created modern technology in general. Don`t be so jealous. We`ve never objected to be beneficent toward others. |
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