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Post subject: How Bill COULD be in the new movie
 Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 03:56 AM
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I am usually just a lurker but - like a message in a bottle - I felt I needed to toss out this idea somewhere in hopes that someone might see it. Especially after seeing the Shatner video about the lack of a role for him in the new movie.
I really, really think that Bill needs to be in the new movie - the whole idea of it is scary enough without the absence of our favorite! However, it seems that the new movie-making regime lacks the imagination to figure this out. So here is a possible idea. . .
Given: In Enterprise, we were introduced to the Temporal Police and had stories that spanned from the past to the future. These same Police had a loathing for Kirk as the biggest rule breaker of all time. Not to mention the whole story arc of the Temporal Cold War was sort of cut short with the Storm Front episode.
Given: Kirk was killed in Generations but - as someone who defeated the Kobiyaski Maru - has a habit of beating the rules of a situation. Even Bill Shatner himself has written a way out for Kirk. Not to mention that this would be a great reason for the Temporal Police to really dislike Kirk.
Given: The need for Paramount to breath life back into the franchise while not alienating the original fans.
Solution 1: Have Kirk do a Mysterious Stranger cameo in the new movie where he provides some kind of seemingly insignificant (but critically important) help to the young Kirk. Imagine the gasps from the audience when we recognize the Mysterious Stranger. Imagine the possibility for comedy when the young Kirk says "some old fart helped with this". And young Spock saying something like "some day you may be just like him". You get your new ST faces with the old ST faces too.
Solution 2+: Why stop with the cameo? With the plot device of a Temporal Cold War (or a similar conflict), you could have a movie spanning all the ST generations. If salaries and/or desire to participate were issues, go on to the next icon. Can't get Picard - go on to Archer. Can't get McCoy (obviously) - then get Julian Bashir. Kirk is dead? Then have his part take place just before that last mission when he was away from Star Fleet.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents for what they are worth.  |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 04:53 AM
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 09:12 AM
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Well, besides the fact that I don't know if I could write a whole screenplay, big studios like Paramount do not accept unsolicted manuscripts. They are too worried about being sued. You have to get a agent ($$$$) to submit it for you.
In fact, even if someone from Paramount actually read this post, they would probably hesitate to act on the idea for the same reasons.
Kind of a Catch 22 - you post an idea because you want someone to see it but they aren't supposed to look at ideas from unknown sources. There have been too many plagarism cases for them to take a chance.
To take the idea to the extreme - Campbell Soups will not accept suggestions for soup flavors for the same reason. Sort of sad, when you think about it. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 09:06 PM
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Or the Academy-era Kirk could open up the the Nexus wave and encounter the dead Kirk played by Shatner  |
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 - 12:35 AM
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Unfortunately, using the Nexus wave would be too close to a new book out called Crucible:Kirk. Doesn't have a Academy Kirk but uses the Nexus Wave and the Guardian of Forever. Again, the spectre of plagarism.
Both Bill and David George (author of the book above) have written "escape clauses" for Kirk to live on after his death. So the idea of some way for Kirk to survive is out there. But a Temporal plot would also allow Kirk to still have died as he did.
A Temporal movie would have to be a new story idea. Something not central to Kirk and crew but allowing them a part. Just like some of the new ST fiction books out there that span multiple crews. This would appeal more to Paramount as a successful venture - allowing them to furtner develop their new crew.
The bottom line is - despite the new movie producers remarks - there are many ways that Bill Shatner could have a place in the new movie. If Spock is going to be in it, they could even have a flashback scene to a conversation with Kirk. After reading about how some movies and tv shows have been made, there is constant script tweaking that goes on. |
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 - 01:35 AM
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Solution #1 sounds so much like something they'd use in Star Wars, like, Obi-Wan Kenobi pegged as 'The Mysterious Stranger' in Star Wars: A New Hope. I just don't think it would work for the Star Trek setting.
'Or the Academy-era Kirk could open up the the Nexus wave and encounter the dead Kirk played by Shatner'
This is a good idea, and might work out that way if Abrams would give Will a piece in the movie, but, think about it. Will can't do much with just a cameo.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 - 02:02 AM
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You keep confusing me Cutie....everytime you refer to Bill as Will...
I think of someone else... |
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 - 05:52 AM
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| Well chances are that any written idea will come from the writers, and if someone else gives them an idea they either most likely won't use it or perhaps if theirs ideas are too close to someone elses they may not use either. Or they could use someone elses idea and not give credit I suppose. So there is a bit of legal and a bit of pride I suppose. It might be best just to hope that the writers figure something out making suggestions may be counter productive. Especially when news papers seem to be printing anything from any source. |
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Post subject: This is a crime!
Posted: Jul 30, 2007 - 06:03 AM
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Hello, I'm a new Member!
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| I am very disappointed that Bill is not going to be in the new Star Trek movie. |
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