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 Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:19 PM
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| morgram wrote: |
"...when trek XI bombs at the box office late next year then paramount will have to face the long avoided truth. That it was THEY who brought Star Trek to an end by removing Kirk from it in 1994. That never should have happened and it never should have been done with the premeditation of permanency. It will mean the final death of Star Trek..."
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...as read from the book of BBK, 17:01.
Yes, all of us 'non-believers' are going to Rura Penthe in a hand basket.
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:34 PM
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| teclaydon wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
"...when trek XI bombs at the box office late next year then paramount will have to face the long avoided truth. That it was THEY who brought Star Trek to an end by removing Kirk from it in 1994. That never should have happened and it never should have been done with the premeditation of permanency. It will mean the final death of Star Trek..."
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...as read from the book of BBK, 17:01.
Yes, all of us 'non-believers' are going to Rura Penthe in a hand basket.
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Post subject: Re: Bill, millions of old line trekkers are with you
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:35 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | I support Bill Shatner the guts of Star Trek and if he is not in the 2008 trek debacle then I will refuse to go see it. Nor will I be purchasing it on DVD or Blu-Ray or whatever the disc-form will be then. I really don`t imagine the interval from theatre release to home video will be a very long one. lol. Bill is a trooper and he will just get along despite this injustice. Many old line trek fans like myself are with him and when trek XI bombs at the box office late next year then paramount will have to face the long avoided truth. That it was THEY who brought Star Trek to an end by removing Kirk from it in 1994. That never should have happened and it never should have been done with the premeditation of permanency. It will mean the final death of Star Trek. |
One of the main reasons Leonard refused to be in Generations was because he wanted no part of a film that killed of Kirk as he knew that it would be a kick in the teeth to first-time Trek fans like you and I Morgram. He could also see the many plot holes in the story such as Guinan's echo telling Picard that the Nexus could allow him to go back to any place at any time. Why then didn't Picard armed with fore knowledge of the future and after rescuing Kirk from the Nexus travel back in Time to prevent firstly his brother and nephew from being killed in the fire? That would have then left Kirk & Picard with plenty of time to travel to the Armagosa Observatory to foil Soran and the Duras sisters' evil plans.
But then, why let a few plot holes get in the way of a bad story Mr Berman as long as you achieved your aim of killing off one of Star Trek's two most legendary characters?
Leonard has fully endorsed the script for Star Trek XI Morgram, therefore I hope that it will finally address the Generations debacle and see our hero resurrected. I can think of more than a few ways that aren't too far-fetched so I would also like to think JJ Abrams will. If Leonard Nimoy trusts him, then I will keep an open-mind. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:44 PM
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Morgram,
First of all I combined your two threads as they basically are the same thing.
Secondly, if you watched the ShatnerVision videos, Bill clearly stated he was not interested in campaigning for a part. That's from the man himself without any filters.
So going on Larry King or doing any kind of commentary directed back at Paramount or JJ Abrams about Star Trek would be considered campaigning.
Also, the phrase "Bring Back Kirk" is really not a phrase I want to see bantered around here and I think Terry's posts were about the same topic.
You may or may not know about a past problem we had with the Bring Back Kirk group attacking people here who did not agree with their "mission". Their mission, imho, is more of a militant attitude - take action and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And we had some problems here with them when ideologies clashed. The phrase itself angers people here because of what happened so we try to avoid it.
They are not allowed to post here about their organization but you may wish to google them and contact them directly as they have a similiar belief system and quite an active mailing list.
We here at WS.com have a great relationship with them currently and I want to keep it that way.
I just want to stress that while you are absolutely encouraged to post your beliefs that a number of posts about the same thing said in different ways is tantamount to spamming and it's really not going to win you more supporters. So can you focus on one thread and avoid the BBK phrase?
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:57 PM
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| I'd like to go on the record and express that I feel that William Shatner is just more than a character, MORE than Captain James T Kirk, More than Denny Crane, He is more to me than just that, I applaud all he has done for charity, for all those who love him see him more than just a character. I see him as all around Good Solid Man with a good heart. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 07:02 PM
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| Paul wrote: |
"...the phrase "Bring Back Kirk" is really not a phrase I want to see bantered around here and I think Terry's posts were about the same topic..."
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My references to 'BBK' alluded to the little known - but no less significant - TOS following among the Bahrainian and Kuwati financial community:
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 07:36 PM
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| Paul wrote: | Morgram,
First of all I combined your two threads as they basically are the same thing.
Secondly, if you watched the ShatnerVision videos, Bill clearly stated he was not interested in campaigning for a part. That's from the man himself without any filters.
So going on Larry King or doing any kind of commentary directed back at Paramount or JJ Abrams about Star Trek would be considered campaigning.
Also, the phrase "Bring Back Kirk" is really not a phrase I want to see bantered around here and I think Terry's posts were about the same topic.
You may or may not know about a past problem we had with the Bring Back Kirk group attacking people here who did not agree with their "mission". Their mission, imho, is more of a militant attitude - take action and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And we had some problems here with them when ideologies clashed. The phrase itself angers people here because of what happened so we try to avoid it.
They are not allowed to post here about their organization but you may wish to google them and contact them directly as they have a similiar belief system and quite an active mailing list.
We here at WS.com have a great relationship with them currently and I want to keep it that way.
I just want to stress that while you are absolutely encouraged to post your beliefs that a number of posts about the same thing said in different ways is tantamount to spamming and it's really not going to win you more supporters. So can you focus on one thread and avoid the BBK phrase?
Thanks,
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Certainly, Paul. To tell you the truth I didn`t know what the BBK in Teclaydon`s message even meant. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 07:47 PM
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| morgram wrote: |
"...To tell you the truth I didn`t know what the BBK in Teclaydon`s message even meant..."
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...what?!? You mean to say that you never even entered their Al Hayrat Draw last May?!?
Oh well, I'm sure Ebrahim Abdulla and Ebrahim Al-Banna are enjoying the $20,000 grand prize. Maybe next year, huh?
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 08:02 PM
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 09:52 PM
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| Quote: | | The U.S.S. Enterprise is recalled by Starfleet Command for decommissioning, but Kirk, in typical fashion, indulges himself and takes the ship out for one last voyage before passing the baton to a new generation of explorers destined "to boldly go where no one has gone before." |
source: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/l ... il/86.html
I really think that if Bill had wanted to keep Kirk alive for future production projects, he would never have signed the contract deal to begin with. With that said......
Are sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor? |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 12:12 AM
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| SMB wrote: | | Quote: | | The U.S.S. Enterprise is recalled by Starfleet Command for decommissioning, but Kirk, in typical fashion, indulges himself and takes the ship out for one last voyage before passing the baton to a new generation of explorers destined "to boldly go where no one has gone before." |
source: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/l ... il/86.html
I really think that if Bill had wanted to keep Kirk alive for future production projects, he would never have signed the contract deal to begin with. With that said......
Are sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor? |
Yes, but spock died in trek II and was resurrected in trek III. Why would Bill assume that the same thing couldn`t have been done for Kirk?...and I believe that it was on the basis of such a proposition that Bill was willing to die on screen as Kirk. Would not a remake of the 3rd trek movie tailored for Bill`s character have been nothing less than a blockbuster? I rather think that it would. |
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 - 01:24 AM
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| morgram wrote: | | SMB wrote: | | Quote: | | The U.S.S. Enterprise is recalled by Starfleet Command for decommissioning, but Kirk, in typical fashion, indulges himself and takes the ship out for one last voyage before passing the baton to a new generation of explorers destined "to boldly go where no one has gone before." |
source: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/l ... il/86.html
I really think that if Bill had wanted to keep Kirk alive for future production projects, he would never have signed the contract deal to begin with. With that said......
Are sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor? |
Yes, but spock died in trek II and was resurrected in trek III. Why would Bill assume that the same thing couldn`t have been done for Kirk?...and I believe that it was on the basis of such a proposition that Bill was willing to die on screen as Kirk. Would not a remake of the 3rd trek movie tailored for Bill`s character have been nothing less than a blockbuster? I rather think that it would. |
Well, I guess one could surmise that Kirk is still alive in the Nexus, just like Guinnan is there and on the Enterprise serving drinks in 10 Forward.
It could mean that Kirk could go back in time or go forward in time. In theory he could be immortal.
Now there's a challenge for the famous Captain Kirk....... an encounter with Q. |
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