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Post subject: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
 Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 02:18 AM
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| and blanket paramount with verbal phaser fire for keeping his character dead for the last 13 years in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK! Bill has been a nice guy with paramount for far too long! I`m sorry, that`s how I feel. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 03:38 AM
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I don't think Bill would want to invite negative controversy...
it always makes the person look like they are desperate...
and THAT.... he ISN'T...  |
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Post subject: Re: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 04:25 AM
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| morgram wrote: |
"...in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK!..."
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Beyond a few circles of vehement BBK'ers, I don't believe that there is such a 'demand'. Whether or not WS ever again reprises the role of Kirk on screen simply isn't a big deal for that many people ...including a good many long time ST fans (myself among them).
With or without WS, STXI will sink or fly on its own merits ...merits that can't possibly be judged until after the movie is made/seen. |
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Post subject: Re: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 04:38 AM
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| teclaydon wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
"...in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK!..."
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Beyond a few circles of vehement BBK'ers, I don't believe that there is such a 'demand'. Whether or not WS ever again reprises the role of Kirk on screen simply isn't a big deal for that many people ...including a good many long time ST fans (myself among them).
With or without WS, STXI will sink or fly on its own merits ...merits that can't possibly be judged until after the movie is made/seen. |
I couldn't agree with you more!  |
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Post subject: Re: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 04:59 AM
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| CaptLogan wrote: | | teclaydon wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
"...in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK!..."
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Beyond a few circles of vehement BBK'ers, I don't believe that there is such a 'demand'. Whether or not WS ever again reprises the role of Kirk on screen simply isn't a big deal for that many people ...including a good many long time ST fans (myself among them).
With or without WS, STXI will sink or fly on its own merits ...merits that can't possibly be judged until after the movie is made/seen. |
I couldn't agree with you more! |
Agreed, it tells us who the REAL Bill Shatner fans are here. I`ve noticed a tendency on this forum for anybody who laments Bill not being permitted to play Kirk again by paramount are for some reason attacked. Making out like those who like myself insist that Bill should be able to play Kirk again are somehow unreasonably fixated. Either one believes that William Shatner as James T. Kirk is the foundation, the Rock of Gibralter if you will of Star Trek, or one doesn`t. As a 1st generation trekker of 40+ years I find it very difficult to believe that millions of old line trek fans like myself don`t feel the same way about the 13 year absence of Kirk from Star Trek. Indeed, is that not what is wrong with Star Trek today? No Kirk??? I don`t quite understand why some here on the BBS of WILLIAM SHATNER DOT COM wish to minimize that. |
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Post subject: Re: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 05:29 AM
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| morgram wrote: | | CaptLogan wrote: | | teclaydon wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
"...in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK!..."
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Beyond a few circles of vehement BBK'ers, I don't believe that there is such a 'demand'. Whether or not WS ever again reprises the role of Kirk on screen simply isn't a big deal for that many people ...including a good many long time ST fans (myself among them).
With or without WS, STXI will sink or fly on its own merits ...merits that can't possibly be judged until after the movie is made/seen. |
I couldn't agree with you more! |
Agreed, it tells us who the REAL Bill Shatner fans are here. I`ve noticed a tendency on this forum for anybody who laments Bill not being permitted to play Kirk again by paramount are for some reason attacked. Making out like those who like myself insist that Bill should be able to play Kirk again are somehow unreasonably fixated. Either one believes that William Shatner as James T. Kirk is the foundation, the Rock of Gibralter if you will of Star Trek, or one doesn`t. As a 1st generation trekker of 40+ years I find it very difficult to believe that millions of old line trek fans like myself don`t feel the same way about the 13 year absence of Kirk from Star Trek. Indeed, is that not what is wrong with Star Trek today? No Kirk??? I don`t quite understand why some here on the BBS of WILLIAM SHATNER DOT COM wish to minimize that. |
I would hate to blow your bubble morgram, but Star Trek does not just rely on only one character i.e. Captain James T Kirk but the others that Gene Roddenberry created in his mind. So to say that Star Trek will die because Bill may not play at being the Captain is ludicrous. |
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Post subject: Re: Bill ought to go on Larry King...
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:09 AM
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| Mirizor wrote: | | morgram wrote: | | CaptLogan wrote: | | teclaydon wrote: | | morgram wrote: |
"...in the face of overwhelming demand to BRING BACK KIRK!..."
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Beyond a few circles of vehement BBK'ers, I don't believe that there is such a 'demand'. Whether or not WS ever again reprises the role of Kirk on screen simply isn't a big deal for that many people ...including a good many long time ST fans (myself among them).
With or without WS, STXI will sink or fly on its own merits ...merits that can't possibly be judged until after the movie is made/seen. |
I couldn't agree with you more! |
Agreed, it tells us who the REAL Bill Shatner fans are here. I`ve noticed a tendency on this forum for anybody who laments Bill not being permitted to play Kirk again by paramount are for some reason attacked. Making out like those who like myself insist that Bill should be able to play Kirk again are somehow unreasonably fixated. Either one believes that William Shatner as James T. Kirk is the foundation, the Rock of Gibralter if you will of Star Trek, or one doesn`t. As a 1st generation trekker of 40+ years I find it very difficult to believe that millions of old line trek fans like myself don`t feel the same way about the 13 year absence of Kirk from Star Trek. Indeed, is that not what is wrong with Star Trek today? No Kirk??? I don`t quite understand why some here on the BBS of WILLIAM SHATNER DOT COM wish to minimize that. |
I would hate to blow your bubble morgram, but Star Trek does not just rely on only one character i.e. Captain James T Kirk but the others that Gene Roddenberry created in his mind. So to say that Star Trek will die because Bill may not play at being the Captain is ludicrous. |
Is it? Then why isn`t star trek flourishing today? |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:46 AM
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| paramount has made so many mistakes over the years with star trek because they continue to be guided by the mistaken belief that star trek`s foundation is 80s/90s established TNG canon when it is of course much longer established TOS canon. Mistakes that began with the visual re-imagining of star trek started in ST-TMP and IT WAS NOT NECESSARY to quote Korob. Trek fandom would have been perfectly happy to see star trek on the big screen just has it had been on NBC in 1969. So star trek is not dependent on Kirk by Shatner. I`m sorry, Mirizor, that`s like saying that The Ten Commandments doesn`t really need Charlton Heston either. Laughable. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 10:17 AM
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WHY DO YOU GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS.
Do you really think we dont care about William. you are wrong, Of Course we do !!!!
Do we care about Star Trek XI! No not really!!! because JJ will do what he wants to do and no ranting in the world will change this.
A true trekkie likes all Star Trek. Most of us have moved on, after all it was 41 years ago.
Give us a break mate
My favourite Star Trek series will always remain TOS.
My favourite captain will always be Kirk.
Will I watch the new Movie!Yes!! of course I will, because I am a Trekkie
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 12:10 PM
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WHY DO YOU GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS.
Do you really think we dont care about William. you are wrong, Of Course we do !!!!
Do we care about Star Trek XI! No not really!!! because JJ will do what he wants to do and no ranting in the world will change this.
A true trekkie likes all Star Trek. Most of us have moved on, after all it was 41 years ago.
Give us a break mate
My favourite Star Trek series will always remain TOS.
My favourite captain will always be Kirk.
Will I watch the new Movie!Yes!! of course I will, because I am a Trekkie
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No! I vehemently disagree. A true trekker KNOWS that Bill as Kirk has always been the guts of the show. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 05:17 PM
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| morgram wrote: |
"...Making out like those who like myself insist that Bill should be able to play Kirk again are somehow unreasonably fixated..."
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"...I find it very difficult to believe that millions of old line trek fans like myself don`t feel the same way..."
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 05:23 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | daisydownunder wrote: |
WHY DO YOU GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS.
Do you really think we dont care about William. you are wrong, Of Course we do !!!!
Do we care about Star Trek XI! No not really!!! because JJ will do what he wants to do and no ranting in the world will change this.
A true trekkie likes all Star Trek. Most of us have moved on, after all it was 41 years ago.
Give us a break mate
My favourite Star Trek series will always remain TOS.
My favourite captain will always be Kirk.
Will I watch the new Movie!Yes!! of course I will, because I am a Trekkie
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No! I vehemently disagree. A true trekker KNOWS that Bill as Kirk has always been the guts of the show. |
Then please define for all of us what is a true TREKKER. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 05:54 PM
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| CaptLogan wrote: | | morgram wrote: | | daisydownunder wrote: |
WHY DO YOU GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS.
Do you really think we dont care about William. you are wrong, Of Course we do !!!!
Do we care about Star Trek XI! No not really!!! because JJ will do what he wants to do and no ranting in the world will change this.
A true trekkie likes all Star Trek. Most of us have moved on, after all it was 41 years ago.
Give us a break mate
My favourite Star Trek series will always remain TOS.
My favourite captain will always be Kirk.
Will I watch the new Movie!Yes!! of course I will, because I am a Trekkie
Daisy |
No! I vehemently disagree. A true trekker KNOWS that Bill as Kirk has always been the guts of the show. |
Then please define for all of us what is a true TREKKER. |
It`s right in what you quoted! |
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Post subject: Bill, millions of old line trekkers are with you
Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 05:59 PM
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| I support Bill Shatner the guts of Star Trek and if he is not in the 2008 trek debacle then I will refuse to go see it. Nor will I be purchasing it on DVD or Blu-Ray or whatever the disc-form will be then. I really don`t imagine the interval from theatre release to home video will be a very long one. lol. Bill is a trooper and he will just get along despite this injustice. Many old line trek fans like myself are with him and when trek XI bombs at the box office late next year then paramount will have to face the long avoided truth. That it was THEY who brought Star Trek to an end by removing Kirk from it in 1994. That never should have happened and it never should have been done with the premeditation of permanency. It will mean the final death of Star Trek. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 - 06:06 PM
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I enjoy all concepts of StarTrek, sorry. I still to this day think it was a fatal mistake on the movie industry's part to kill off Kirk. I'd be happy as a clam if they'd resurrect Kirk by using the mature Kirk to help tell the story. Not just the mature Spock. But when they'd killed off Kirk in Generations they had wanted to start focusing on TNG because of the demography back then. If Kirk were to keep popping up all the time to save the universe it would have taken away from TNG. I'm not too sure why this was allowable. Progressive attitudes at the time? Killing off an old dinosaur, wanting modernization? Personally, I'd love it if he had popped up all the time. Like in his books. You can't keep a good man down. Unless you kill him off.  |
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