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Post subject: Star Trek XI is the latest insult...
 Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 08:49 AM
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| in paramount`s unrelenting "enterprise' to destroy all THAT WAS Star Trek before 1987. Star Trek XI will surely be the death blow. |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 04:27 PM
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I quite highly doubt that this is the death blow for Star Trek... To me the death blow happened with the show "Enterprise" Anything after that as far as film or television is just beating the proverbial dead horse.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 04:34 PM
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In all due honesty, things started going downhill fast, right after Gene Roddenberry died.... 
Although I did like Deep Space Nine a lot...  |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 04:54 PM
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I liked all of the shows and the movies for the most part. But I still feel that the movie "Generations" sucked like a big dog because of Kirk being killed off. The new movie isn't going to help resurrect Kirk if they're unwilling to let Bill have a part of it. The kids of today aren't going to appreciate it as much because I'm betting that they don't watch TOS and probably have a vague memory of when TNG was on tv. My daughter only knows about Bill and Kirk because I'm always talking about him. She only knows of Enterprise. She's and Archer fan  |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 04:57 PM
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| CaptLogan wrote: | In all due honesty, things started going downhill fast, right after Gene Roddenberry died....
Although I did like Deep Space Nine a lot... |
I think that in the beginning they tried to stick with the vision that Gene had when he was alive however as time went on there were new minds and fresh ideas and unlike Scotty in Star Trek III we were tolerant of such things...
and that's when the life of star trek started to become endangered... There was still a decent Gene Roddenberry would have approved episode or two within DS9 and Voyager... however that wasn't there in my honest opinion with the show "Enterprise" hence why I think Star Trek's true death happened there... It was diseased before... Enterprise just totally killed it.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 05:28 PM
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| Seamus wrote: | | CaptLogan wrote: | In all due honesty, things started going downhill fast, right after Gene Roddenberry died....
Although I did like Deep Space Nine a lot... |
I think that in the beginning they tried to stick with the vision that Gene had when he was alive however as time went on there were new minds and fresh ideas and unlike Scotty in Star Trek III we were tolerant of such things...
and that's when the life of star trek started to become endangered... There was still a decent Gene Roddenberry would have approved episode or two within DS9 and Voyager... however that wasn't there in my honest opinion with the show "Enterprise" hence why I think Star Trek's true death happened there... It was diseased before... Enterprise just totally killed it.
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I`ll take your word for that since I never watched TNG, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. I`m familiar with some of it but thankfully spared myself most of it. I did like the TNG episode with Scotty, the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" and the TNG episode where Lwaxana Troi walks into a rec room topless. lol |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 10:12 PM
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| I think if Gene Roddenberry JUNIOR had his was with the franchise, there might be hope. But I will keep an open mind when the new movie comes out. I refuse to be negative about it. |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 10:33 PM
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These days I watch all Tos episodes again on svcd. My wife (Turkish) hearsh the voices for the first time in the original language. Which is quite a revelation for her.
I know, that when the last episode is finished, I will feel again an emptiness. The same feeling when I hear that another great actor/actress has left us.
When I see a remake or a ST follow up, I always hope to see more of the old one.
Am I getting old????? |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2007 - 11:34 PM
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Hi GervdHoof, age isn't the problem.. quality in the franchise is!
Seems to me the studio's eyes are so full of greed they miss the subtle art of what made Star Trek successful. I think I'll refrain from comment on the future JJ Abrams' version of Star Trek until I actually see it.. then I can properly slap a "label" on it. I have a hunch I'm not going to favor it, but I'll try to be open-minded so that I'll at least get something out of the $8-10 I'll pay to see it in a theater.
Really, Star Trek lost most of it's true meaning when the Great Bird flew to the Galaxy. imho...
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 12:10 AM
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| It's not fair to blast the movie before anything about it has come out. I'm not a fan of recasting, but I think it was either that or RIP Star Trek. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 11:24 AM
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| Grizzlor wrote: | | It's not fair to blast the movie before anything about it has come out. I'm not a fan of recasting, but I think it was either that or RIP Star Trek. |
Yes, but RIP Star Trek would be paramount`s fault for killing Kirk in the first place back in 1994. They have had 13 years to make a Star Trek movie to end all Star Trek movies: a resurrected Kirk blockbuster!...and they blew it. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 04:49 PM
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The kids of today aren't going to appreciate it as much because I'm betting that they don't watch TOS and probably have a vague memory of when TNG was on tv
Hi, guys!
Angel! Soooo wrong! I'm seventeen and I remember TNG. My dad and I used to watch it when I was younger. OUR age group does APPRECIATE ST, and I DO watch TOS every morning! It was only about less than a year ago that I got Cable and all the STs were back on. I don't watch Voyager or DS9, although my friend watches Enterprise and used to watch TOS with his father. I stay true to TOS, and love it. It is a ray of sunshine in my rather hectic life. When my family finally got Cable, and my brother was watching TNG all the time--his favorite, btw--I sat down and was like, This is cool! and I remembered all the times watching with my dad. So for some of us, ST and this STXI means more. But it was me who decided to watch TOS. I had always wanted to, and now I'm hooked on it. It's like a drug!
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 04:55 PM
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| I stand corrected Not everyone though is an ardent supporter of anything Trek or in sci-fi in general. What was popular in my generation has been over-looked by the younger set. I knew of a boy who didn't even know who John Wayne was. So my blanket statement may have not been accurate in your case, but I'm sure that many young people of your generation may not even give Kirk or any of the others a second thought. My son is 17 and he's not much on the Trek stuff. He's more into Blink 182 and base guitars. You're probably a whole lot different than him. And it's really good to see a young person keeping up the tradition. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 05:22 PM
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I've been watching TOS on my DVD's slowly but surely, and after each episode I go to Memory Alpha (Star Trek's wiki) to read the Production Notes for trivia and other fun stuff. Today I watched "A Private Little War" and read this little bombshell:
Script: "As originally conceived, William Shatner was to appear in this episode as James T. Kirk. The planet in the episode would have been Neural, from TOS: "A Private Little War," with an aged Kirk returning to try to negotiate a peace on the planet.
Shatner was either unwilling or unable to appear (probably unwilling, considering his disparaging remarks about The Next Generation during its first year), so the venue and character were changed."
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Posted: Jul 27, 2007 - 06:03 PM
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| BrianS7785 wrote: | I've been watching TOS on my DVD's slowly but surely, and after each episode I go to Memory Alpha (Star Trek's wiki) to read the Production Notes for trivia and other fun stuff. Today I watched "A Private Little War" and read this little bombshell:
Script: "As originally conceived, William Shatner was to appear in this episode as James T. Kirk. The planet in the episode would have been Neural, from TOS: "A Private Little War," with an aged Kirk returning to try to negotiate a peace on the planet.
Shatner was either unwilling or unable to appear (probably unwilling, considering his disparaging remarks about The Next Generation during its first year), so the venue and character were changed."
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