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 Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:23 AM
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| Cat wrote: | | Gornman wrote: | | Cat wrote: |
So, we shouldn't just spay and neuter our pets ~ but consider doing ourselfs as well!   |
Cancels late night rendezvous with Cat......   |
Hey, I've cleaned almost all the rust off of my old shears, and I have rubbing alcohol and band-aids in case of emergency!  |
Most fascinating....! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 06:10 AM
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| littlestar wrote: | I am Sorry...I come from a people that believe ...
We do not OWN this Land...but are to care for it...
We do NOT Dominate the animals...we learn to live with them...
We do not Forget to show RESPECT to all Living things...
What Goes Around
Comes Around...
because we ARE all related...
Every time you decimate a species...you decimate a part of Yourself...
I will NEVER believe People are in such NEED that McMansions, Hiking and Biking Trails...Olympic Swimming Pools...are of such a great Necessity..that the land and all it's dwellers need to BOW to the GREED |
I plan to live on the edge of a national forest, with a few acres and a normal sized cedar cabin/house. The animals are most welcome, and will do much better in my green belt (that will be largely untouched b/c we like woods and natural settings) than the condos that would end up there instead.
I must add that individuals that are interested in eating me or mine will be duly removed. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 02:53 PM
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Man, i feel bad for the kid and his family! I don't think this is a case of what comes around goes around. If they tried to feed him or if they had food around, which they didn't, I can understand that line of thinking. This isn't the case in this tragedy. Animals are unpredictable, but no one is to blame.
"Encroachment" or development has an effect on wildlife, but to think that this was some type of balancing of forces is wrong.
One thing to remember is that you should always have at least one person on watch while others sleep in the woods. A gunshot would've probably scared the crap right out of the bear and he may've dropped the kid and ran.
As for trails in the woods, the Susquehannock Indians had many side trails that deviate from the main Appalacian trail. Many of them still exist and I certainly don't think it was a case of greed that they used the land for their purposes. When I hike and bike on those trails, I don't expect the bear and deer to bow to my Raleigh Record 12-speed. They think I'm a nut for taking a street bike into the woods! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 04:39 PM
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The life of a human child should come before the life of a bear. Period.
And if people would be more logical and not seek one extreme or the other then things would work out better. Cull the animals, you're doing them a favor plus you're doing their prey animals a favor too, and doing the land a favor.
Though with all the people killing their own children either by abortion or waiting until the kid's born and leaving them in a dumpster or beating them to death - well, I'm starting to think people should have to get a lisence to have a kid. Get pregnant without a lisence, your kid gets taken away until you can prove you're a responsible parent. Have more then three abortions, mandatory sterilization since you're too lazy to use birth control. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 04:51 PM
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| Jami wrote: | The life of a human child should come before the life of a bear. Period.
And if people would be more logical and not seek one extreme or the other then things would work out better. Cull the animals, you're doing them a favor plus you're doing their prey animals a favor too, and doing the land a favor.
Though with all the people killing their own children either by abortion or waiting until the kid's born and leaving them in a dumpster or beating them to death - well, I'm starting to think people should have to get a lisence to have a kid. Get pregnant without a lisence, your kid gets taken away until you can prove you're a responsible parent. Have more then three abortions, mandatory sterilization since you're too lazy to use birth control. |
Got off the wrong-side of the bed this morning Jami 
Soon we'll all need a license to post here  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:07 PM
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JT...You have to follow the path...of conversation...to put what I say in context..I'm not Michael Moore...and if you haven't figured out from all these years...I write the same as I am thinking...with the pauses, as well.
The imbalance is the killing of animals to provide a "virgin" land, for super developement, to fit an unnecessary need .
Of course your local tribe varied from the given paths (because the Appalachian trail was developed by Benton MacKaye, in 1921, for camping experience and to bring people to nature, it isn't the Tribal hunting paths of old)...To cull animals for survival is one thing....IF these DEVELOPERS asked permission to take a FEW of the animals, and ate them, using every part to good use....OK !!! IF these Developers explained to the people buying these Houses...that they are on age old hunting territory and to take measures...that would also be one thing, which I would expect of an HONEST person. They SAY NOTHING about the Danger...only pretty up the words ...
"Come to the Silver Springs Developement...Feel the Peace, surrounded by forest. Awaken to the calls of mirade birds and go to sleep to the sounds of the coyote. Gentle springs run throughout...(yada, yada...You get the picture)
That is what my statements refer to...not a child being killed by a Bear...I would never say that is what is right and necessary to keep the balance.(Human sacrifice is NOT a component)
There will always be renegade animals, due to illness, or previous wounding and everyone needs to be prepared for defensive measures when going into the Animals' territory.
There was always a watch in all Tribal cultures...the firekeeper...remained awake all night, replenishing the central fire and watching for renegades...human or animal.
At least you realise that you are going into their territory, street bike or no, and respect the land and it's dwellers....not that YOU have every given right to decimate and control them to your liking. That, I respect !!!
...and they probably see you coming and say..Who is that crazy whiteman...RUNnnnnn!!!! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:36 PM
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When camping in a forest (especially with all the past bear incidents), aren’t you (human) risking yourself to the outdoor elements in the first place? I don't see a debate here  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:49 PM
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Thanks for the Logical and Simplistic answer DOC....
Why didn't I say that?
YAPPY FEMALE !!!! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 07:07 PM
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I am a Lefty, and spend my entire life encouraging displaced bears to kill humans, including teddy bears. Fear me.
As a Lefty, I also support the immigration of illegal insects to the USA and expect them to do the jobs our insects cannot. Freely vilify me.  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 08:02 PM
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| littlestar wrote: | JT...You have to follow the path...of conversation...to put what I say in context..I'm not Michael Moore...and if you haven't figured out from all these years...I write the same as I am thinking...with the pauses, as well.
The imbalance is the killing of animals to provide a "virgin" land, for super developement, to fit an unnecessary need .
Of course your local tribe varied from the given paths (because the Appalachian trail was developed by Benton MacKaye, in 1921, for camping experience and to bring people to nature, it isn't the Tribal hunting paths of old)...To cull animals for survival is one thing....IF these DEVELOPERS asked permission to take a FEW of the animals, and ate them, using every part to good use....OK !!! IF these Developers explained to the people buying these Houses...that they are on age old hunting territory and to take measures...that would also be one thing, which I would expect of an HONEST person. They SAY NOTHING about the Danger...only pretty up the words ...
"Come to the Silver Springs Developement...Feel the Peace, surrounded by forest. Awaken to the calls of mirade birds and go to sleep to the sounds of the coyote. Gentle springs run throughout...(yada, yada...You get the picture)
That is what my statements refer to...not a child being killed by a Bear...I would never say that is what is right and necessary to keep the balance.(Human sacrifice is NOT a component)
There will always be renegade animals, due to illness, or previous wounding and everyone needs to be prepared for defensive measures when going into the Animals' territory.
There was always a watch in all Tribal cultures...the firekeeper...remained awake all night, replenishing the central fire and watching for renegades...human or animal.
At least you realise that you are going into their territory, street bike or no, and respect the land and it's dwellers....not that YOU have every given right to decimate and control them to your liking. That, I respect !!!
...and they probably see you coming and say..Who is that crazy whiteman...RUNnnnnn!!!! |
Well, that sounds better than what comes around goes around and every time you decimate a species, you decimate a part of yourself!! To me, it just sounded a little cold-hearted after what happened to this little kid. But i know you're not like that!! That, I'm sure of, so I just decided to respond to those phrases and add a comment/opinion on the tragedy.
The Appalacian Trail was used by the Susquehannock as a traveling path and for other reasons long before 1921. It's really cool and once you get to the top, it's all very level and you can easily travel for miles and miles!
I know I posted this years before, but 2 fawn came right up to me while I was on the trail! They were so cute! The one fawn sniffed right at my shoe before discovering me. Once they looked up and saw me, they became scared but only ran a few yards and then chilled again. I was with a friend and we just stood there talking while they continued to sniff around. Kinda neat! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 08:08 PM
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| jena_fuller wrote: | | I am a Lefty, As a Lefty,... |
Have you ever heard of Lefty Gomez? |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 08:17 PM
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| angel wrote: | 
Mother Nature has a way of compensating and fighting back. The animals are only doing what comes naturally. It's a no-win situation for the animal population. Decimation should not be the answer. Unfortunately this is going to happen.  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 08:34 PM
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| Well, as I see it you`ve got 2 factors coming into play here. Because of conservation, wild animal populations that were depleted 30 or 40 years ago have been allowed to come back combined with unrestricted housing development. Now you`ve got development encroaching on former wilderness areas. Now you`ve got frequent bear attacks and cougar attacks with maybe a few coyote attacks thrown in for good measure. Housing developments are not a natural phenomenon of nature and do not reverse themselves or go into decline. So, therefore, areas of new human habitation MUST be secured and made safe. IF there are more fatalities as a result of overabundant black bear populations and it is found out that any state government refused all suggested measures to cull down these populations, that would be criminal negligence and a disregard of the most basic obligation elected officials have, namely to protect the life and limb of the vast majority of the law-abiding public, I kid you not, the most basic obligation. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 09:57 PM
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| morgram wrote: | | angel wrote: |
Mother Nature has a way of compensating and fighting back. The animals are only doing what comes naturally. It's a no-win situation for the animal population. Decimation should not be the answer. Unfortunately this is going to happen. |
Nice babe! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 10:31 PM
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| Be aware...and be Respectful..like this Man |
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