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 Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 02:11 AM
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Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 02:12 AM
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Utah Boy Killed by Bear While Camping
AMERICAN FORK, Utah - An 11-year-old boy was dragged screaming from his family's tent and killed by a black bear during a Father's Day outing in the Utah wilderness.
The boy, his mother, stepfather and a 6-year-old brother were sleeping in a large tent Sunday night in American Fork Canyon, about 30 miles southeast of Salt Lake City, when the stepfather heard the boy scream "something's dragging me."
The boy and his sleeping bag were gone. The cut in the nylon tent was so clean, his family, who was not identified, first believed the boy had been abducted, U.S Forest Service officers said.
Wearing flip-flops and without a flashlight, the stepfather searched frantically for the boy and then drove a mile down a dirt road to a developed campground.
"He was pounding on my trailer door. He said somebody cut his tent and took his son," said John Sheely, host of the Timpooneke campground, who alerted authorities by driving down the canyon to a pay phone.
The boy's body was found about 400 yards away from the campsite, said Lt. Dennis Harris of the Utah County sheriff's office.
Authorities said the bear, as much as 300 pounds, probably was the same one harassing another group of campers in the same spot before dawn Sunday. Kurt Francom said his son, Jake, was kicked in the head through a tent wall.
"It could have been my boy," said Francom, a school custodian.
Wildlife officers shot a black bear Monday and flew its remains out of the Wasatch Mountains for tests to confirm that it was responsible for the fatal mauling. The officers used 26 dogs to track the bear's scent, shooting and wounding him. The creature wandered around wounded until officers shot and killed him several hours later, said Lt. Scott White of the state wildlife agency.
Authorities said the death was Utah's first fatal attack on a human by a black bear. It follows reports of several bear sightings during spring and occurred just hours after other people in the same primitive campsite likely encountered the same animal.
"Truly a tragic event," said Jim Karpowitz, director of the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources. "Events of this type are extremely rare in Utah."
The attack occurred in American Fork Canyon, a popular camping destination with elevations as high as 11,000 feet.
"When it's hot and dry like this, bears are short of food," Karpowitz said.
In May, officials reported black bears in Provo Canyon and Park City, including one that ripped through a screen door at a cabin where residents had burned food and opened windows.
Officers killed that bear because it showed no fear when biologists tried to scare it away with firecrackers, the wildlife agency said.
In July 2006, a black bear bit the arm of a 14-year-old Boy Scout while he slept in a tent, also in Utah County. The female bear returned to the campground and was killed.
Black bears, which are found in 27 states, are "generally less aggressive than other bears and don't prey on humans," said Stewart Breck, a wildlife biologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Fort Collins, Colo.
The typical human-bear conflicts involve bears breaking into homes or cars.
"But it's not breaking into a tent and killing," Breck said. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 02:18 AM
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| The left doesn`t seem to want to comprehend that you cannot put the lives of animals on the same moral plain with the lives of human beings. The left will flip out if one even mentions the possibility of having a bear hunt. Animal population control for the purpose of reducing the probability of bear attacks on people doesn`t seem to register with them. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 03:46 AM
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| That's NOT True...I'm what you would consider a "Lefty" and I can understand the necessity for culling... |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 03:56 AM
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The extreme left don't like it though.
Take, for instance, why California has had so many wild/forest fires these past years. Seems a bug not native to the US got into here and into our trees, which has killed off lots and lots of trees in the forest. Instead of letting people go in and clear out just the dead and infected trees, the extreme left protested over and over again until no clearage was allowed. So all those dry trees so close together.... one homeless man makes a fire to keep himself warm - suddenly millions of dollars in damage, and lots of lost of both human and animal life that could've been prevented if the dead and infected trees had been removed.
We had a bill a few years back as well asking for the culling of mountain lions. It didn't pass. Next thing you know, mountain lions are so desperate for food they started killing hikers and bikers. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 04:48 AM
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| The Mountain Lion attack...near my area..was because they built a development in what has been the cats hunting area for over 200 years... you can't expect the animals to understand that...HUMANS are supposed to be the Intelligent species... |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:20 AM
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Well, I'm sort of in the middle, leaning to the right on some issues....... but it is not the fault of the animals. People are breeding like, well, rabbits. There's too many of us, not enough food, not enough space. Animals should have some rights too, and if people were more responsible, there would be enough room for both. As it is, there is less and less space, food, etc. for the animals, so there is bound to be conflict. Again, not the animal's fault IMO.
So, we shouldn't just spay and neuter our pets ~ but consider doing ourselfs as well!   |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:26 AM
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So, we shouldn't just spay and neuter our pets ~ but consider doing ourselfs as well! |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:26 AM
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| So the development should have been built someplace else rather than the 200 year mountain lion feeding ground? This is exactly what I`m getting at. The necessity of human habitation must and should supercede the rights of animals. The mountain lion population should either have been greatly reduced or relocated before the development was ever built, but every time such measures can even be attempted by responsible parties, the extreme left flips out. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:29 AM
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| Gornman wrote: | | Cat wrote: |
So, we shouldn't just spay and neuter our pets ~ but consider doing ourselfs as well! |
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Hey, I've cleaned almost all the rust off of my old shears, and I have rubbing alcohol and band-aids in case of emergency!  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:32 AM
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| morgram wrote: | | So the development should have been built someplace else rather than the 200 year mountain lion feeding ground? This is exactly what I`m getting at. The necessity of human habitation must and should supercede the rights of animals. The mountain lion population should either have been greatly reduced or relocated before the development was ever built, but every time such measures can even be attempted by responsible parties, the extreme left flips out. |
Sorry, Morgram we agree on a lot, but I disagree here. There are so many people moving into areas that have been the habitats of these animals for, well, since they were created. There are few places to relocate them successfully, and it isn't fair that they be put down just because there are too many people. Unless something starts eating us, we need to stop producing so many kids.
Save the cougars and bears! Eat your neighbor!  They are quite nice with fava beans and a good ciantia....... |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 02:57 AM
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Mother Nature has a way of compensating and fighting back. The animals are only doing what comes naturally. It's a no-win situation for the animal population. Decimation should not be the answer. Unfortunately this is going to happen.  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 04:41 AM
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| morgram wrote: | | So the development should have been built someplace else rather than the 200 year mountain lion feeding ground? This is exactly what I`m getting at. The necessity of human habitation must and should supercede the rights of animals. The mountain lion population should either have been greatly reduced or relocated before the development was ever built, but every time such measures can even be attempted by responsible parties, the extreme left flips out. |
I think if it came down to it, few if any people would volunteer to let a mountain lion (or anything really) live over them. That's just normal survival of any species. Territory is not just a human thing, it's an animal thing too. Animals also fight out for their territories.
Everyone may want to let animals live, I do, but we're not going to starve and go homeless for it. Our cities over here are expanding like crazy. Sure it irritates me, but I can't blame people for wanting to have housing...
The only thing you can really do, is keep wilderness areas and parks, and the requisite number of animals per square mile that will comfortably fit it. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:05 AM
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I am Sorry...I come from a people that believe ...
We do not OWN this Land...but are to care for it...
We do NOT Dominate the animals...we learn to live with them...
We do not Forget to show RESPECT to all Living things...
What Goes Around
Comes Around...
because we ARE all related...
Every time you decimate a species...you decimate a part of Yourself...
I will NEVER believe People are in such NEED that McMansions, Hiking and Biking Trails...Olympic Swimming Pools...are of such a great Necessity..that the land and all it's dwellers need to BOW to the GREED |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 05:09 AM
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