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Old William Shatner Main Discussion - Religious Posts

Paul - Mar 16, 2010 - 06:38 PM
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Figured I'd put a stick in the sand, here.

No offense to our new member but honestly when it's easily googlable what faith a celebrity may be yet someone post a blatant message to suggest another religion under the premise of being "saved"...that's where I think a line has been crossed.

I normally don't mind religious types of posts as long as they are of hope and love such as prayer requests or someone who posts a short message of faith in response to someone's bad news post... etc...

What I don't want is proselytizing types of posts; telling people to convert.

That has no place here, imho.

-P

littlestar - Mar 16, 2010 - 07:11 PM
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AMEN

SMB - Mar 16, 2010 - 07:36 PM
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I figured you would step in eventually. Cool

I was hoping the newbie would learn from his/her mistake and join us with an adjusted attitude. Cool

Peace has been restored and all is well in the land of Shatnerville. Wink

Nostromo - Mar 16, 2010 - 08:19 PM
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Lords of Kobol hear our prayer. N

kstahmer - Mar 16, 2010 - 08:30 PM
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Moved or removed, that thread couldn't remain where it was.

And even if moved, it wouldn't have made any difference.

In a Bill specific thread, his response is the only relevant response and there's no chance he'll ever post in the Political Arena.

I base that on,

Bill has 530 posts: 16 listed (requires login), 10 listed in this forum, 6 listed in Archives and 0 listed in the Political Arena.
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"The answer to your question in simple: Kirk just wanted to get laid.

My best,
Bill"

-- Bill's response to thefreshjedi question about Kirk's discussion with Saavik regarding General Order Number 15

Nostromo - Mar 16, 2010 - 09:07 PM
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I'd like Bill to post in the Political thread. I'll bet he can dice and slice with panache. Smile

kstahmer - Mar 16, 2010 - 10:08 PM
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It would be interesting if Bill posted controversial positions in our Political Arena.

And suppose he did.

I submit to you that would be unwise.

Here's why:

Bill's a practicing professional actor. Practicing professional actors need fans.

Since it's our Political Arena, there are fans who'd passionately agree with Bill, and fans who'd passionately disagree with Bill.

For fans who passionately agree, there's no gain. They're already fans.

For fans who passionately disagree, there's risk. If they disagree strongly enough, they're no longer fans.

Hence, Bill risks losing fans; most unwise for a practicing professional actor.

SMB - Mar 16, 2010 - 10:37 PM
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Interesting:

http://www.shatnerology.com/

Nostromo - Mar 16, 2010 - 11:20 PM
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kstahmer wrote:

A Star ship captain is also a diplomat. My prediction ...
Mr. Shatner would bring careful thought and civility to our political arena. A rudder to steer our ship through choppy seas.
As one who makes waves - I'd appreciate and respect a "truly" calm hand on the wheel.

N

SMB - Mar 16, 2010 - 11:54 PM
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Nostromo wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

and throw us in the brig if we back-talked him. Laughing

kstahmer - Mar 17, 2010 - 12:01 AM
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Nostromo wrote:

...

A Star ship captain is also a diplomat. My prediction ...
Mr. Shatner would bring careful thought and civility to our political arena. A rudder to steer our ship through choppy seas.
As one who makes waves - I'd appreciate and respect a "truly" calm hand on the wheel.

N

You're right about Bill - 100% correct.

But it isn't Bill who concerns me, it's his fans.

Do you remember why the Political Arena is now a separate forum?

When it came to religion and politics, we didn't play well together.

Cuzsis - Mar 17, 2010 - 12:44 AM
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Nostromo wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

You must be the change you wish to see in the world... Wink

Nostromo - Mar 17, 2010 - 01:41 AM
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Cuzsis wrote:

Nostromo wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

You must be the change you wish to see in the world... Wink

Too late for me. My cloth was cut from sandpaper.

N

morgram - Mar 17, 2010 - 02:28 AM
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SMB wrote:

Nostromo wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

and throw us in the brig if we back-talked him. Laughing

Damn straight!....because ol' Bill is the captain! Very Happy

Catt - Mar 17, 2010 - 01:19 PM
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kstahmer wrote:

When it came to religion and politics, we didn't play well together.

So true. Especially when it comes to politics, it's just better if we play with ourselves.

kstahmer - Mar 17, 2010 - 03:11 PM
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Joycelyn Elders concurs.

Catt - Mar 17, 2010 - 03:23 PM
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kstahmer wrote:

Joycelyn Elders concurs.

I couldn't really agree with her stance on certain issues. Some things should be learned first hand, rather than taught. Shocked

SMB - Mar 17, 2010 - 09:57 PM
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Catt wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

When it came to religion and politics, we didn't play well together.

So true. Especially when it comes to politics, it's just better if we play with ourselves.

Yeah, I sure would not want to see anyone jabbed with a flag pole or conked on the head with a statue of liberty replica. Shocked

Johnny_Turbo - Mar 17, 2010 - 10:23 PM
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SMB wrote:

Catt wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

When it came to religion and politics, we didn't play well together.

So true. Especially when it comes to politics, it's just better if we play with ourselves.

Yeah, I sure would not want to see anyone jabbed with a flag pole or conked on the head with a statue of liberty replica. Shocked

But that's pre-1920's Mack Sennet comedy!

There were times when I had a strong desire to post something that was anti-religious. Oh, but that's just an invitation for someone to claim they were offended. I just wanted to say something like, "There is no such thing as sin" and "Jesus was an alien". Silly, fun stuff!!!

AquinasWI - Mar 17, 2010 - 11:46 PM
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I was about to start preaching about my new Church of Chekov Digital-Insertology....but guess I can't now.

kstahmer - Mar 18, 2010 - 12:23 AM
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Church of Chekov
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"I gave up a promising career in space exploration for my addiction to Internet porn and YouTube, and I never looked back."

-- Attributed to Pavel Chekov, Chekov's Kick-Ass Music Videos

teclaydon - Mar 18, 2010 - 12:42 AM
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Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

SMB - Mar 18, 2010 - 02:39 AM
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AquinasWI wrote:

I was about to start preaching about my new Church of Chekov Digital-Insertology....but guess I can't now.

OOOO Blasphemy in the land of Shatnerville and http://www.shatnerology.com/

We shall have to perform an exorcism. Quick get out the tribble tank. Surprised

SMB - Mar 18, 2010 - 02:40 AM
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kstahmer wrote:

Too much toilet mouth for me. Sorry

Gornman - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:07 AM
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teclaydon wrote:

Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

First, I am NOT going to get in a religious fight here, I agree with Paul,
this is no place for it, you aren't going to convert anyone here.

But I would like to make one point......proselytizing

I remember my "West Wing". they loved that word.

It's called the Great Commission in the Bible, it's also called "witnessing".
Believers are "told" to share their witness with others.

I've always wondered the reasons behind the need to change the word...

littlestar - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:30 AM
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Main Entry: pros·e·ly·tize
Pronunciation: \ˈprä-s(ə-)lə-ˌtīz\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pros·e·ly·tized; pros·e·ly·tiz·ing
Date: 1679

intransitive verb
1 : to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

Or, as if often the case, to judge against ones chosen form of faith and to use subtle wording to infer that their chosen form of worship is unacceptable....as in sending a Christian text to an individual of Jewish faith

It wasn't so much the words, as the way it was done...IMHO.
You all know I am not Christian, yet I never try to tell anyone they are wrong to chose that faith and I often will use words of their faith for communication of ideas. It's all in showing RESPECT....again IMHO

Gornman - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:43 AM
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I know what the word means, and it was judged correctly as used
here.

I have only "witnessed" when asked to do so Idea

It can be a wonderful experience

littlestar - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:48 AM
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That's what I meant GMan...witnessing is sharing with others who WISH TO share the WORD

so, the other word/definition is not trying to change the meaning of witnessing...
because they are two different and unique endeavors....right?
and with that I will shut up

Gornman - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:54 AM
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I see it as a synonymous substitution, now I'll shut up

KoriLinae - Mar 18, 2010 - 05:58 AM
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REally... trying to READ such high falutin words has given me a headache...

btw... HI!

LOL

SMB - Mar 18, 2010 - 12:56 PM
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Gornman wrote:

teclaydon wrote:

Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

Witnessing doesn't always mean sharing words. It is showing others by the way we live. It is sharing a loaf of bread with someone who doesn't have enough to eat or offering a kind word to someone who is having a bad day. It is the difference between rolling our sleeves up and pitching in to help during a time of crisis (Katrina, 911) without preaching or judging or trying to put blame on victims for their troubles. It's not so much what we say, but what we do. As a wise person once said, "Anyone knows how to behave in church.... it is when you are going about your daily lives that people are watching to see how you behave."

kstahmer - Mar 18, 2010 - 04:03 PM
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SMB wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

Too much toilet mouth for me. Sorry

To each, their own;

Didn't post that link as an endorsement, but merely to show no matter how fanciful, the Internet covers it.

SMB - Mar 18, 2010 - 06:06 PM
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kstahmer wrote:

SMB wrote:

kstahmer wrote:

Too much toilet mouth for me. Sorry

To each, their own;

Didn't post that link as an endorsement, but merely to show no matter how fanciful, the Internet covers it.

I agree.

Which leads me to a great question. I will start a new thread for it though. Wink

Nostromo - Mar 18, 2010 - 06:47 PM
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Gornman wrote:

I see it as a synonymous substitution, now I'll shut up

I never accept a substitute for cinnamon .. never. N

Gornman - Mar 18, 2010 - 06:49 PM
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KoriLinae wrote:

REally... trying to READ such high falutin words has given me a headache...

btw... HI!

LOL

The prodigal daughter has returned, and the BBS Gods have
smitten her avatar....... Wink

KoriLinae - Mar 19, 2010 - 05:44 AM
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Gornman wrote:

KoriLinae wrote:

REally... trying to READ such high falutin words has given me a headache...

btw... HI!

LOL

The prodigal daughter has returned, and the BBS Gods have
smitten her avatar....... Wink

After many threats.. the Gods finally decided I was a royal pain, and left me to put my avatar back.. HA!

Very Happy

kstahmer - Mar 19, 2010 - 03:04 PM
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KoriLinae wrote:

REally... trying to READ such high falutin words has given me a headache...

btw... HI!

LOL

Welcome back KoriLinae.

And please, don't be concerned about highfalutin words.

For I can tell you without qualification,

There's no sesquipedalian posting in this forum.

BB - Mar 19, 2010 - 05:00 PM
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Praise the lard!

SMB - Mar 19, 2010 - 05:02 PM
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BB wrote:

Praise the lard!

Makes good old fashioned soul-cleaning soap too! Twisted Evil

greenchick - Mar 19, 2010 - 08:15 PM
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SMB wrote:

Gornman wrote:

teclaydon wrote:

Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

Have I ever told you how wise I think you are?
As a new Christian I find the witnessing thing the most difficult. i can picture the faces of people I might witness to! I have so much admiration for those who use their religious impulses to do good, unfortunately we have all met those who use religion as a stick to beat other people with...

Gornman - Mar 19, 2010 - 10:14 PM
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greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

Mirizor - Mar 20, 2010 - 12:21 AM
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Gornman wrote:

greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

Others may be thinking the same thing.

Catt - Mar 20, 2010 - 12:54 AM
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Mirizor wrote:

Gornman wrote:

greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

Others may be thinking the same thing.

Not asking, already knew! Very Happy

Witnessing, whether by words or deeds, should always be lead by the Holy Spirit. The hard part, is knowing when the Holy Spirit is speaking. And while Christians may have the heart of Christ, we're still stuck with these sinful bodies. We may love Christ, but we still make mistakes, usually daily. That's why a nightly talk with God is so important. Not only to repent of our screw-ups of that day, but to pray for strength for the next.

I cannot know whether the person who started the religious thread was lead by the Holy Spirit or not. But I do believe that Christ taught to have respect for authority, and Paul is Bill's authority on this site, so I will do as he says.

It is important to witness with our lives, but sharing of the gospel with others is important. We were told to go forth and tell the good news. Okay, many people get so bogged down with telling people why they are going to Hell, that they never get around to anything else. I don't believe that is what God had in mind......... Wink

I'll end this on that note, in respect for Paul's wishes. However, if anyone, at anytime, would like to discuss this subject further, I am always available on e-mail or by phone! Very Happy

greenchick - Mar 20, 2010 - 01:00 AM
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[quote="Gornman"]

greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

[/quote

Yeah, you read that right, now don't the Lord move in mysterious ways?!
I don't want to post my email address publicly, but if you ask Cat for my email, I would be happy to chat...

Gornman - Mar 20, 2010 - 01:06 AM
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[quote="greenchick"]

Gornman wrote:

greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

[/quote

Yeah, you read that right, now don't the Lord move in mysterious ways?!
I don't want to post my email address publicly, but if you ask Cat for my email, I would be happy to chat...

You two in cahoots, I knew it Twisted Evil

I had your email once. I don't need a chat, but I am sincerely
happy for you. Idea

Mirizor - Mar 20, 2010 - 01:14 AM
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Catt wrote:

Mirizor wrote:

Gornman wrote:

greenchick wrote:

As a new Christian

Did I read that right?

Care to share?

Yes, I AM asking Wink

Others may be thinking the same thing.

Not asking, already knew! Very Happy

I'll end this on that note, in respect for Paul's wishes. However, if anyone, at anytime, would like to discuss this subject further, I am always available on e-mail or by phone! Very Happy

I'm glad you knew Cat. I figured that greenchick was quiet for a reason.

greenchick - Mar 20, 2010 - 01:17 AM
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Thanks, it's filled my life with a love I never knew existed!

SMB - Mar 20, 2010 - 02:57 AM
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greenchick wrote:

SMB wrote:

Gornman wrote:

teclaydon wrote:

Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

Thank you Greenchick. One thing I learned over the years was the importance of personal quiet time with God and paying attention to my own spiritual growth. There were many well meaning people who tried to force feed me stuff before I was ready for it. I learned to take my time.

And, of course, I am still growing and stumbling and get up. There are times when I think the only way I will get a "Well done," is to get caught in a fire and be crispy well done. Laughing

littlestar - Mar 20, 2010 - 05:26 AM
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WELL DONE, SUE... WELL DONE

KoriLinae - Mar 21, 2010 - 02:19 AM
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Excellent... Loved this. True Religion is just what you wrote Sue. Not being judgemental, not beating people over their heads and not having the crazy holier than thou attitude. Bravo!

SMB wrote:

greenchick wrote:

SMB wrote:

Gornman wrote:

teclaydon wrote:

Big words like 'proselytizing' make my head hurt, so anything that causes them to be used can't be good...

Wink

KoriLinae - Mar 21, 2010 - 02:20 AM
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kstahmer wrote:

KoriLinae wrote:

REally... trying to READ such high falutin words has given me a headache...

btw... HI!

LOL

Welcome back KoriLinae.

And please, don't be concerned about highfalutin words.

For I can tell you without qualification,

There's no sesquipedalian posting in this forum.

LOL.. that made me laugh. Now my head hurts again... hahah Laughing

littlestar - Mar 21, 2010 - 07:10 PM
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Author Unknown...well sort of... Wink

A new pastor moved into town and went out one Saturday to visit his community. All went well until he came to one house. It was obvious that someone was home, but no one came to the door even after he knocked several times. Finally, he took out his card, wrote on the back "Revelation 3:20" and stuck it in the door. The next day, as he was counting the offering he found his card in the collection plate. Below his message was a notation "Genesis 3:10." Upon opening his Bible to the passage he let out a roar of laughter.

Revelation 3:20 reads: (Pastors note) "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If any man hear my voice, and opens the door, I will come into him, and will dine with him, and he with me."

Genesis 3:10 reads: "And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked."

CaptJTK - Mar 21, 2010 - 07:32 PM
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Littlestar, you crack me up! Laughing

And GC, welcome to the fold... Wink

KoriLinae - Mar 22, 2010 - 01:25 AM
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Littlestar! VERY cute! Laughing

Johnny_Turbo - Mar 26, 2010 - 05:34 PM
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greenchick wrote:

Thanks, it's filled my life with a love I never knew existed!

If you want that to continue, go to your religious leaders and demand to be baptized on a daily basis.

Mirizor - Mar 26, 2010 - 05:54 PM
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Johnny_Turbo wrote:

greenchick wrote:

Thanks, it's filled my life with a love I never knew existed!

If you want that to continue, go to your religious leaders and demand to be baptized on a daily basis.

Geez J_T...at that rate she'll drown. Laughing

Claudia - Apr 02, 2010 - 06:06 PM
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kstahmer wrote:

Nostromo wrote:

That's because people get too paasionate about their beliefs, convictions etc.....